From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ilya Zakharevich Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: MULE shows gibberish; now what? Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 06:14:43 +0000 (UTC) Organization: U.C. Berkeley Math. Department. Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1034144441 8328 127.0.0.1 (9 Oct 2002 06:20:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 06:20:41 +0000 (UTC) Bcc: ilya Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17zAD1-0002A2-00 for ; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:20:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17zA8i-0004aw-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 02:16:12 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!agate.berkeley.edu!agate!ilya Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 40 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: powdermilk.math.berkeley.edu Original-X-Trace: agate.berkeley.edu 1034144083 48726 169.229.140.13 (9 Oct 2002 06:14:43 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@agate.berkeley.edu Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 06:14:43 +0000 (UTC) X-How-To-Reach-Me: The From: address is valid Originator: ilya@powdermilk Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:105853 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:2400 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:2400 [A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to Ilya Zakharevich ], who wrote in article : > Given the amount of bad press MULE gets (AFAIU, correctly), I never > tried to actully use it. Well, now I did. And it does not work > (21.2.2 -no-init-file). > > Is there a way for a mortal to understand/fix MULE bugs? > > SPECIFICS of the problem1: when asked to show cyrillic, it shows > cyrillic indeed. However, the shown glyphs have no relationship to > the actual Cyrillic text (e.g., in the Hello, World example). Do not > have a slightest idea how to report it in more details... It looks like pointing-fingers was not dead-on-the-target; while Emacs is faulty, the principal blame should go to xrus-1251 and (allegedly) Netscape. An excerpt from http://www.siber.org/sib/russify/x-windows/#win-fonts Yes, now you can have CP-1251 fonts on your X Window system. We had to put them under the iso8859-5 because buggy Netscape would not allow these fonts to work under official CP-1251 name. So what I see may be a very widespread situation. Emacs can easily detect that the font *is not* a iso8859-5 font (since iso8859-5 has very few characters, and cp1251 has many). At least it could have given a warning... Now Emacs blames: very little documentation for fontsets available (this site has no Elisp manual, so maybe there is something there; there *are* some mentions of fontsets in Emacs manual, but they are close to useless; I rate them close to "this function would do what you want"). Fontsets are not even mentioned in the concept index available through help menu. Ilya