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From: Ilya Zakharevich <nospam-abuse@ilyaz.org>
Subject: Re: MULE shows gibberish; now what?
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 06:14:43 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ao0hgi$1fim$1@agate.berkeley.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: amot9n$24j8$1@agate.berkeley.edu

[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to
Ilya Zakharevich 
<nospam-abuse@ilyaz.org>], who wrote in article <amot9n$24j8$1@agate.berkeley.edu>:
> Given the amount of bad press MULE gets (AFAIU, correctly), I never
> tried to actully use it.  Well, now I did.  And it does not work
> (21.2.2 -no-init-file).
> 
> Is there a way for a mortal to understand/fix MULE bugs?
> 
> SPECIFICS of the problem1: when asked to show cyrillic, it shows
> cyrillic indeed.  However, the shown glyphs have no relationship to
> the actual Cyrillic text (e.g., in the Hello, World example).  Do not
> have a slightest idea how to report it in more details...

It looks like pointing-fingers was not dead-on-the-target; while Emacs
is faulty, the principal blame should go to xrus-1251 and (allegedly)
Netscape.  An excerpt from

  http://www.siber.org/sib/russify/x-windows/#win-fonts

   Yes, now you can have CP-1251 fonts on your X Window system.

   We had to put them under the iso8859-5 because buggy Netscape would
   not allow these fonts to work under official CP-1251 name.

So what I see may be a very widespread situation.  Emacs can easily
detect that the font *is not* a iso8859-5 font (since iso8859-5 has
very few characters, and cp1251 has many).  At least it could have
given a warning...

Now Emacs blames: very little documentation for fontsets available
(this site has no Elisp manual, so maybe there is something there;
there *are* some mentions of fontsets in Emacs manual, but they are
close to useless; I rate them close to "this function would do what
you want").

Fontsets are not even mentioned in the concept index available through
help menu.

Ilya

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-10-09  6:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-24  5:30 MULE shows gibberish; now what? Ilya Zakharevich
2002-09-24  8:42 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-24 15:59   ` Peter J. Acklam
2002-09-24 20:05     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-28 11:09       ` Peter J. Acklam
2002-09-28 12:22         ` Kai Großjohann
     [not found]           ` <k7l61bjc.fsf@online.no>
2002-09-28 15:58             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-28 16:32               ` Peter J. Acklam
2002-09-28 17:12                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-29  9:27                   ` Peter J. Acklam
2002-09-29 15:45                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-29 16:27                       ` Peter J. Acklam
2002-09-29 20:27                         ` Kai Großjohann
2002-10-01  7:59                           ` Peter J. Acklam
2002-09-29 20:13                     ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-09-30  1:22                       ` Miles Bader
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.1033349070.28368.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-09-30 14:03                         ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-09-29 20:27                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-29  0:03               ` Clemens Fischer
2002-09-29 15:44                 ` Kai Großjohann
     [not found]   ` <amr0cn$2lvo$1@agate.berkeley.edu>
2002-09-25 14:11     ` Kai Großjohann
     [not found]       ` <amu08m$i97$1@agate.berkeley.edu>
2002-09-26  8:23         ` Kai Großjohann
     [not found]           ` <amvppk$10v4$1@agate.berkeley.edu>
2002-09-26 23:09             ` Oliver Scholz
2002-09-27 11:51             ` Kai Großjohann
     [not found]               ` <an2dcr$1phl$1@agate.berkeley.edu>
2002-09-27 20:43                 ` Kai Großjohann
     [not found]                   ` <an3ksh$27f2$1@agate.berkeley.edu>
2002-09-28 12:20                     ` Kai Großjohann
     [not found]                       ` <an7n4r$8dh$1@agate.berkeley.edu>
2002-09-30 20:49                         ` Jason Rumney
2002-09-30 21:22                           ` Ilya Zakharevich
2002-10-01 22:10                             ` Jason Rumney
2002-10-02  1:30                               ` Ilya Zakharevich
2002-10-02 13:10                                 ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-10-02 19:50                                 ` Jason Rumney
2002-09-29 12:28                     ` Jason Rumney
     [not found]           ` <an0bd9$1832$1@agate.berkeley.edu>
2002-09-27 11:54             ` Kai Großjohann
     [not found]               ` <an2dig$1pi4$1@agate.berkeley.edu>
2002-09-27 20:37                 ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-09-28  7:15                   ` Ilya Zakharevich
2002-10-02 23:48                   ` Ilya Zakharevich
2002-10-03 16:12                     ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-10-05 10:00                       ` Ilya Zakharevich
2002-10-05 16:07                         ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-10-06  0:43                           ` Ilya Zakharevich
2002-10-07 20:19                             ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-10-08  0:39                               ` Ilya Zakharevich
2002-10-08 13:33                                 ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-10-08 18:52                                   ` Ilya Zakharevich
2002-10-08 19:02                       ` MULE shows gibberish; RAWIN-R vs iso8859-5 Ilya Zakharevich
2002-09-27 20:44                 ` MULE shows gibberish; now what? Kai Großjohann
2002-09-27 22:30                 ` Oliver Scholz
2002-09-27 22:42                   ` Oliver Scholz
2002-09-27  7:29 ` Luis O. Silva
2002-09-27  7:28   ` Ilya Zakharevich
2002-10-09  6:14 ` Ilya Zakharevich [this message]
2002-10-31  0:48   ` Ilya Zakharevich

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