From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Basile Starynkevitch Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Including AI into Emacs Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2024 11:45:41 +0100 Message-ID: References: <61ffb7417fcfe6fc0c1291aa53d1398b.support1@rcdrun.com> <87msh8ctag.fsf@librehacker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22143"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Evolution 3.52.3-0ubuntu1 Cc: Emacs Tangents To: Christopher Howard , Jean Louis Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 10 11:47:01 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tKxlc-0005WO-I6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 11:47:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tKxl3-0006bb-2R; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 05:46:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tKxkX-0006X7-J5 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 05:45:55 -0500 Original-Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net ([2001:4b98:dc4:8::227]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tKxkU-0007gc-36 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 05:45:52 -0500 Original-Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B9F0520008; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 10:45:41 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=starynkevitch.net; s=gm1; t=1733827542; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=uljN4WKmx0uTxSs5rrMPzhR7dcZ5S7JF26Qi9oL9CxE=; b=E/ohM8Qqn98JbKnv8uTRluv13Ylm57cua7FN2+1iHwxOSsHtLgwd2/1FLknAO2KclojGE4 0aEVrqhtIkIUyHJPWZKeQJRNr9Y7eJuJrSQz5YV10Q4IDxg5+tnY2VswO2geWnEb62vFYv yWi99utnnDhonHFGNmJUSJzvwyisr+OBTrm6b1hQk7LRpiOF/RGhC24YGGZShIIgw+alPu WBqktK+fS6Rfka9Bd/c5LPsGFO1NrbtkVS2eZxyxRuynUvJJeJXFa0kdYbwKTnsVKuCPbQ sOfCXKUjluComztl5bHcqbA/MiFJ6riLrSURMnJGNUoKLWPs2I/9OGJ6bRvj4g== In-Reply-To: <87msh8ctag.fsf@librehacker.com> X-GND-Sasl: basile@starynkevitch.net Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:4b98:dc4:8::227; envelope-from=basile@starynkevitch.net; helo=relay7-d.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:148746 Archived-At: On Fri, 2024-12-06 at 13:59 -0900, Christopher Howard wrote: > Jean Louis writes: >=20 > > I believe it would be really beneficial to include AI into GNU > > Emacs. Emacs is already a powerful tool, but adding AI features > > could > > make it even better. For example, AI could help with writing by > > suggesting improvements or catching mistakes. It could also assist > > with coding by providing smart autocomplete options or debugging > > help. These features would make Emacs more efficient and > > user-friendly, helping users get their work done faster and with > > fewer > > errors. > >=20 >=20 > Could you clarify what you mean exactly but "including AI into GNU > Emacs"? I know for sure I don't want Emacs sending information about > my system, or questions that I have about Emacs or my project, off to > some company's LLM chat system, or however that works exactly. I do > not want to become dependent on some remote computer program or AI in > order to be able to write code or figure out how Emacs works. >=20 > I'm certain interested in running tools locally (same computer, or my > network) that help me with "suggesting improvements, catching > mistakes", etc. Do you need something massive like ChatGPT to > accomplish that, or just some Emacs-centric expert systems? Or maybe > something like MycroftAI, running locally? >=20 Without needing a remote supercomputer, you could run https://clipsrules.net/ on your Linux desktop (supplying it a rules source file), or extend https://github.com/RefPerSys/RefPerSys (it is GPLv3+ work-in-progress inference engine) to run locally on it and suggest some improvement (or contextual autocompletion) to some EMACS edited source file. ChatGPT is certainly not the only possible open source symbolic AI software, and they don't require a supercomputer or datacenter. For example GNU prolog is also an open source AI software. As a concrete example GNU chess is some open source AI program and you don't need a datacenter to run it. Very probably, both CLIPSRULES and RefPerSys could be extended (in a few months of work) for simple tasks like English grammar checking or English spellchecking. Regards. --=20 Basile STARYNKEVITCH 8 rue de la Fa=C3=AFencerie 92340 Bourg-la-Reine, France http://starynkevitch.net/Basile & https://github.com/bstarynk=20