but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

[Sharon Kimble]

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When copying and pasting some text from a text document into emacs, it starts
out as -
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Remember, most breast lumps are not cancerous, but
you don't know if you don't ask. 
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

but appears as -
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Remember, most breast lumps are not cancerous, but
you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

How can I get it such that I don't have these problems please, as its
a long-standing problem for me.

Thanks
Sharon.
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RE: but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

[Drew Adams]

> you don't know if you don't ask.
> appears as - you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

Someone who knows more about this than I will correct me, but
I'd guess that you need to try another font, which will display
that Unicode char.

(When you say "it starts out as", I assume you mean that the
curly apostrophe char appears OK in the place where you copied
it from, and not that it appears ephemerally OK in the Emacs
buffer where you pasted it but then changes to \u2019.)

Re: but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

[Sharon Kimble]

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Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

>> you don't know if you don't ask.
>> appears as - you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask
>
> Someone who knows more about this than I will correct me, but
> I'd guess that you need to try another font, which will display
> that Unicode char.
>
> (When you say "it starts out as", I assume you mean that the
> curly apostrophe char appears OK in the place where you copied
> it from, and not that it appears ephemerally OK in the Emacs
> buffer where you pasted it but then changes to \u2019.)
>
I open a text document in "leafpad" copy to system clipboard and
paste from there to emacs, and the problem shows up.

I open a web page, copy some text to the system clipboard and then
paste it into emacs, and the problem again shows up. 

One commonality, I use "simpleclip" which liaises between the system
clipboard and the emacs buffer.

Sharon.
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RE: but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

[Drew Adams]

> > Someone who knows more about this than I will correct me, but
> > I'd guess that you need to try another font, which will display
> > that Unicode char.
>
> I open a text document in "leafpad" copy to system clipboard and
> paste from there to emacs, and the problem shows up.
> 
> I open a web page, copy some text to the system clipboard and then
> paste it into emacs, and the problem again shows up.
> 
> One commonality, I use "simpleclip" which liaises between the system
> clipboard and the emacs buffer.

I think my guess was wrong.  But Eli seems to be helping here:

> try this inside Emacs: C-x RET t utf-8 RET

Re: but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

[Sharon Kimble]

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Further information as I experiment, copy from a pdf in "evince" and
this is the original text
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Injection = £ 23.69 (US $ 44.53)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Which when pasted gives
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Injection = \u2194 23.69 (US \u2729 44.53)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

So when it can't read something, it gives it its numeric coding.

The font being used is "DejaVu Sans Mono" which is emacs
default. So what font can render those symbols correctly from the
clipboard and is the same size as the present font? I've tried
"Ubuntu" and also "Times New Roman" but both failed the test. And I
can't find anything about it in google either.

Sharon.
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Re: but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

[Rusi]

On Sunday, May 11, 2014 12:17:51 PM UTC+5:30, Sharon Kimble wrote:
> Further information as I experiment, copy from a pdf in "evince" and
> this is the original text
> 
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> Injection = £ 23.69 (US $ 44.53)
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> 
> 
> Which when pasted gives
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> Injection = \u2194 23.69 (US \u2729 44.53)

I am really as new to all this as you are...
However from what I know: emacs gives little boxes with numbers (the unicode 
code point) when it cant find a font for the char.

This \unnnn -- does it not indicate some other (probably external?)
process' handiwork?

Re: but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

[Sharon Kimble]

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Rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sunday, May 11, 2014 12:17:51 PM UTC+5:30, Sharon Kimble wrote:
>> Further information as I experiment, copy from a pdf in "evince" and
>> this is the original text
>> 
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>> Injection = £ 23.69 (US $ 44.53)
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>> 
>> 
>> Which when pasted gives
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>> Injection = \u2194 23.69 (US \u2729 44.53)
>
> I am really as new to all this as you are...
> However from what I know: emacs gives little boxes with numbers (the unicode 
> code point) when it cant find a font for the char.
>
> This \unnnn -- does it not indicate some other (probably external?)
> process' handiwork?
>
No, because the document which is a latex document, only shows these
"things" in emacs, I can open the document with no problem in kile,
gedit, katoob, medit, and gummi! They're the ones that I've tried,
but I prefer it all in emacs which is why I'm trying to solve the
problem.

Sharon.
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Re: but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

[Thien-Thi Nguyen]

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() Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com>
() Sun, 11 May 2014 05:44:08 +0100

   One commonality, I use "simpleclip" which liaises
   between the system clipboard and the emacs buffer.

I haven't followed the thread closely, so sorry if this was
already asked (and feel free to ignore): What happens if you
disable (or otherwise avoid enabling) this program?

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Re: but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

[Sharon Kimble]

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Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn@gnu.org> writes:

> () Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com>
> () Sun, 11 May 2014 05:44:08 +0100
>
>    One commonality, I use "simpleclip" which liaises
>    between the system clipboard and the emacs buffer.
>
> I haven't followed the thread closely, so sorry if this was
> already asked (and feel free to ignore): What happens if you
> disable (or otherwise avoid enabling) this program?

You Sir, are a genius! Everything works perfectly and pastes cleanly
without using it! I've tried copy/pasting from a pdf with text that
I know will throw up errors, but they didn't! I've tried
copy/pasting from a web page, and with no problems either! So I
guess - Problem Solved! And thank you! :)

Sharon.
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Re: but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

[Robert Thorpe]

Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> writes:
> Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn@gnu.org> writes:
...
>> I haven't followed the thread closely, so sorry if this was
>> already asked (and feel free to ignore): What happens if you
>> disable (or otherwise avoid enabling) this program?
>
> You Sir, are a genius! Everything works perfectly and pastes cleanly
> without using it!

I had a quick look in the code to simpleclip.el, it just calls xsel
directly to get the contents of the X clipboard.  It isn't very careful about
using UTF-8, that's why the funny strings appear.  In 'x-get-selection'
Emacs is much more careful about that.  It's a simpleclip bug.

BR,
Robert Thorpe

Re: but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

[Stefan Monnier]

> When copying and pasting some text from a text document into emacs, it starts

Does it do that from all applications?
If not, what happens if you paste from that same application to Xterm
rather than to Emacs?


        Stefan

Re: but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

[Sharon Kimble]

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Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>> When copying and pasting some text from a text document into emacs, it starts
>
> Does it do that from all applications?
> If not, what happens if you paste from that same application to Xterm
> rather than to Emacs?
>
>
>         Stefan

No, only in emacs. 

Sharon.
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Re: but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com>
> Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 00:09:27 +0100
> 
> When copying and pasting some text from a text document into emacs, it starts
> out as -
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> Remember, most breast lumps are not cancerous, but
> you don't know if you don't ask. 
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> 
> but appears as -
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> Remember, most breast lumps are not cancerous, but
> you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> 
> How can I get it such that I don't have these problems please, as its
> a long-standing problem for me.

Your Emacs runs in a text-terminal (a.k.a. -nw) mode, right?  If so,
try this inside Emacs:

  C-x RET t utf-8 RET

Re: but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

[Sharon Kimble]

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com>
>> Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 00:09:27 +0100
>> 
>> When copying and pasting some text from a text document into emacs, it starts
>> out as -
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>> Remember, most breast lumps are not cancerous, but
>> you don't know if you don't ask. 
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>> 
>> but appears as -
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>> Remember, most breast lumps are not cancerous, but
>> you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>> 
>> How can I get it such that I don't have these problems please, as its
>> a long-standing problem for me.
>
> Your Emacs runs in a text-terminal (a.k.a. -nw) mode, right?  If so,
> try this inside Emacs:
>
>   C-x RET t utf-8 RET
>
Nope, gui. This is my command for starting emacs in fluxbox
╭────
│Mod4 e :exec /usr/local/bin/emacs-24.3.90 -mm
╰────

Then I just press the windows key and e and up it starts, in its
gui.

Sharon.
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Re: but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

[Sharon Kimble]

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com>
>> Date: Sun, 11 May 2014 00:09:27 +0100
>> 
>> When copying and pasting some text from a text document into emacs, it starts
>> out as -
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>> Remember, most breast lumps are not cancerous, but
>> you don't know if you don't ask. 
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>> 
>> but appears as -
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>> Remember, most breast lumps are not cancerous, but
>> you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>> 
>> How can I get it such that I don't have these problems please, as its
>> a long-standing problem for me.
>
> Your Emacs runs in a text-terminal (a.k.a. -nw) mode, right?  If so,
> try this inside Emacs:
>
>   C-x RET t utf-8 RET

I've tried this command in several different buffers [scratch,
group, org-mode] but it didn't work in any of them. I've tried
changing the font, I like the "Ubuntu" font, but that destroys the
layout of the "Summary" buffer, and didn't change the behaviour I
already asked about.

Sorry
Sharon.
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Re: but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

[David Hume]

Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

>
> Someone who knows more about this than I will correct me, but
> I'd guess that you need to try another font, which will display
> that Unicode char.
>

Eight-bit characters should not be posted in headers. They should be
ascii encoded.

so this:

”This is in quotes”

Would be encoded like this:

=?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=9DThis?= is in =?utf-8?Q?quotes=E2=80=9D?=

Faulty news client at the poster's end.

Re: but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask

[Sharon Kimble]

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David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> writes:

> Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
>
>>
>> Someone who knows more about this than I will correct me, but
>> I'd guess that you need to try another font, which will display
>> that Unicode char.
>>
>
> Eight-bit characters should not be posted in headers. They should be
> ascii encoded.
>
> so this:
>
> ”This is in quotes”
>
> Would be encoded like this:
>
> =?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=9DThis?= is in =?utf-8?Q?quotes=E2=80=9D?=
>
> Faulty news client at the poster's end.
>
Cobblers! I posted the heading like that because it is descriptive
of what I'm seeing. It doesn't matter wherever I paste that line in
emacs, it always comes out like that, and I've learnt how to work
around it, but I'm really looking for a solution, not a band-aid!
There is nothing wrong with gnus at this end, its working just fine!

Sharon.
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