Xemacs

Xemacs

[John Oliver]

I set up several users with the Cygwin X server so they can export the
display of X apps to their Windows desktops.  One user, who has a
dual-boot system (Red Hat 8.0 and Windows XP) has a problem with Xemacs
in both Linux and Windows... she has the icons for things like New
Document, etc. but does not have the "word" menus along the top... you
know, File, Edit, etc.  When she first starts emacs, they're there for a
split second, and then it sort of "flashes" and the menus disappear to
leave only the icons.  Any ideas why that would be?

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* John Oliver                              http://www.john-oliver.net/ *

Re: Xemacs

[B. T. Raven]

"John Oliver" <joliver@john-oliver.net> wrote in message
news:slrnetcjcj.ckb.joliver@ns.sdsitehosting.net...
> I set up several users with the Cygwin X server so they can export the
> display of X apps to their Windows desktops.  One user, who has a
> dual-boot system (Red Hat 8.0 and Windows XP) has a problem with Xemacs
> in both Linux and Windows... she has the icons for things like New
> Document, etc. but does not have the "word" menus along the top... you
> know, File, Edit, etc.  When she first starts emacs, they're there for a
> split second, and then it sort of "flashes" and the menus disappear to
> leave only the icons.  Any ideas why that would be?
>
> --
> * John Oliver                              http://www.john-oliver.net/ *

This is Emacs rather than Xemacs, but the symptom you describe is probably
common to both. It sounds like an init file is turning off this feature.
Look for something like (setq menu-bar-mode nil) in .emacs or _emacs. The
icons sound like the tool-bar (versions > 21). This can be customized
also.

Ed.

Re: Xemacs

[John Oliver]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:22:46 -0600, B. T. Raven wrote:
> This is Emacs rather than Xemacs, but the symptom you describe is probably
> common to both. It sounds like an init file is turning off this feature.
> Look for something like (setq menu-bar-mode nil) in .emacs or _emacs. The
> icons sound like the tool-bar (versions > 21). This can be customized
> also.

That was exactly the answer!  Thanks! :-)

-- 
* John Oliver                              http://www.john-oliver.net/ *

Re: Xemacs

[David Kastrup]

John Oliver <joliver@john-oliver.net> writes:

> I set up several users with the Cygwin X server so they can export
> the display of X apps to their Windows desktops.  One user, who has
> a dual-boot system (Red Hat 8.0 and Windows XP) has a problem with
> Xemacs in both Linux and Windows... she has the icons for things
> like New Document, etc. but does not have the "word" menus along the
> top... you know, File, Edit, etc.  When she first starts emacs,
> they're there for a split second, and then it sort of "flashes" and
> the menus disappear to leave only the icons.  Any ideas why that
> would be?

This sort of reminds me of an old problem with AUCTeX.  Use the XEmacs
package manager to uninstall AUCTeX.  If your user actually needs
XEmacs for editing TeX files, fetch the latest XEmacs package from the
download page of AUCTeX <URL:http://www.gnu.org/software/auctex> and
install it (it is _not_ distributed by XEmacs).

Alternatively, download a pretest version of Emacs for Windows with
AUCTeX preinstalled from that download site.  It may cause less
trouble in the long run.  In particular, it is pretty much impossible
to get a hold of a robust XEmacs capable of dealing with utf-8 in a
painless way.

Note that RedHat 8.0 is an old system: it may be worth checking the
requirements for AUCTeX with regard to XEmacs versions before trying
to update AUCTeX.  Similarly, the Cygwin XEmacs you use may be old.

I have directed followups to this posting to the group
comp.emacs.xemacs which is more appropriate since you are experiencing
an XEmacs-only problem.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

XEmacs

[Steven Degutis]

Does anyone actually use it instead of GNU Emacs?

-Steven

Re: XEmacs

[James Freer]

I tired it once and it the splash screen flickered... but that was a
couple of years ago. I don't think it's actually being maintained now.

james

On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Steven Degutis <sbdegutis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Does anyone actually use it instead of GNU Emacs?
>
> -Steven
>

Re: XEmacs

[Glyn Millington]

James Freer <jessejazza3.uk@gmail.com> writes:

> I tired it once and it the splash screen flickered... but that was a
> couple of years ago. I don't think it's actually being maintained now.

It IS maintained (slowly!) and it has users.

atb



Glyn

Re: XEmacs

[James Freer]

My apologies. I read that somewhere recently... i did say "I don't think..."
Gnu Emacs is much better - i don't know why anyone should want to use Xemacs.

james

On Sun, 28 Apr 2013, Glyn Millington wrote:

> James Freer <jessejazza3.uk@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I tired it once and it the splash screen flickered... but that was a
>> couple of years ago. I don't think it's actually being maintained now.
>
> It IS maintained (slowly!) and it has users.
>
> atb
>
>
>
> Glyn
>
>
>

Re: XEmacs

[glyn.millington]

James Freer <jessejazza3.uk@gmail.com> writes:

> My apologies. I read that somewhere recently... i did say "I don't
> think..."  Gnu Emacs is much better - i don't know why anyone should
> want to use Xemacs.


No worries. Having used Xemacs for years I now use Emacs myself.  There
was a time when Xemacs was way ahead of Emacs but no more.  But Xemacs
still has loyal users.   

I suspect that one  reason for sticking with Xemacs now is lots of little
customizations  and tweaks which don't easily transfer to Gnu Emacs - the
same reason why I wouldn't willingly swap my init.el for yours, because
it would change the way I work.


atb 



Glyn

Re: XEmacs

["Jérôme M. Berger"]

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glyn.millington@gmail.com wrote:
> James Freer <jessejazza3.uk@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> My apologies. I read that somewhere recently... i did say "I don't
>> think..."  Gnu Emacs is much better - i don't know why anyone should
>> want to use Xemacs.
> 
> 
> No worries. Having used Xemacs for years I now use Emacs myself.  There
> was a time when Xemacs was way ahead of Emacs but no more.  But Xemacs
> still has loyal users.   
> 
> I suspect that one  reason for sticking with Xemacs now is lots of little
> customizations  and tweaks which don't easily transfer to Gnu Emacs - the
> same reason why I wouldn't willingly swap my init.el for yours, because
> it would change the way I work.
> 
	Horizontal scroll bars and a working imenu [1]...

		Jerome

[1] http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=10706
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http://jeberger.free.fr
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Re: XEmacs

[Luca Ferrari]

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 8:17 AM,  <glyn.millington@gmail.com> wrote:

> No worries. Having used Xemacs for years I now use Emacs myself.  There
> was a time when Xemacs was way ahead of Emacs but no more.  But Xemacs
> still has loyal users.
>
> I suspect that one  reason for sticking with Xemacs now is lots of little
> customizations  and tweaks which don't easily transfer to Gnu Emacs - the
> same reason why I wouldn't willingly swap my init.el for yours, because
> it would change the way I work.
>

I was thinking XEmacs was died too, glad to see it is the opposite.
I've tried XEmacs a couple of times, when forced to run on a Windows
box, since it was a little faster and shipped with nice gadgets, but I
switch back to Emacs as soon as I was able to get a Unix desktop, and
then I never used XEmacs anymore.
As others, I feel that today Emacs has catched up XEmacs and is much
more superior, so I don't see myself switching to XEmacs again in the
near future.

Luca

Re: XEmacs

[unfrostedpoptart]

On Friday, May 10, 2013 3:38:02 AM UTC-7, Hilary wrote:
> On 28/04/13 23:28, James Freer wrote:
> 
> > My apologies. I read that somewhere recently... i did say "I don't think..."
> > Gnu Emacs is much better - i don't know why anyone should want to use
> > Xemacs.
> I used Xemacs for a while a few years ago because at that time, on a 
> slow windoze box, it was significantly snappier and more stable then GNU 
> Emacs. GNU Emacs caught up and overtook Xemacs, even before I acquired 
> faster hardware and switched to Linux.

I've been using emacs since 18.57 / 1988.  I switched to Lucid and then xemacs for many years but switched to gnu almost 2 years ago (Linux, Mac, Win).  The support/development of xemacs has pretty much dried up and many of the packages I wanted to use no longer are compatible with xemacs.  It didn't take long to convert all my customizations and it's been great.  Many computer-intensive operations (e.g. re-indenting large files) are at least an order of magnitude faster!

Re: XEmacs

[Emanuel Berg]

Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> writes:

> One of the last things I did with Emacs on my last windoze box was
> configure gnus, but I didn't have the time, patience, or brainflops
> to set it up as well as I can with a few clicks in Iceweasel, so
> Iceweasel it still is for news and mail.

I've spent some time configuring Gnus. Mostly it is about looks. You
can see a screenshot how far I've come here:

http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/pics/usenet.png

Now, that dump is from a tabbed urxvt, so it doesn't look exactly like
that in the console (for example, there is no underline), but I had to
make a short guest appearance in X as to be able to use scrot to take
a screenshot. They look more or less the same, anyway.

What I've used so far, Gnus is great!
-- 
Emanuel Berg - programmer (hire me! CV below)
computer projects: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
internet activity: http://home.student.uu.se/embe8573

Re: XEmacs

[Hils]

On 12/05/13 22:29, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Hils<hils@saynotospam.net>  writes:
>
>> One of the last things I did with Emacs on my last windoze box was
>> configure gnus, but I didn't have the time, patience, or brainflops
>> to set it up as well as I can with a few clicks in Iceweasel, so
>> Iceweasel it still is for news and mail.
>
> I've spent some time configuring Gnus. Mostly it is about looks. You
> can see a screenshot how far I've come here:
>
> http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/pics/usenet.png
>
> Now, that dump is from a tabbed urxvt, so it doesn't look exactly like
> that in the console (for example, there is no underline), but I had to
> make a short guest appearance in X as to be able to use scrot to take
> a screenshot. They look more or less the same, anyway.
>
> What I've used so far, Gnus is great!

That looks really cool. One of the things which bothered me about Gnus 
was its determination to delete and ignore every article which had been 
read. Is there a way to make it keep local copies of everything for n 
days, and keep (or archive) specified articles?

Re: XEmacs

[Emanuel Berg]

Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> writes:

> That looks really cool. One of the things which bothered me about
> Gnus was its determination to delete and ignore every article which
> had been read. Is there a way to make it keep local copies of
> everything for n days, and keep (or archive) specified articles?

In the beginning of my Gnus days, I thought it was strange too, but I
got used to it, and actually found it to be for the good, because it
got me more focused: either I decide to read something, and then I do
it, or I don't.

How to archive for a fixed time, while not a bad idea, I don't know,
but as for saving articles, there are tons of ways, perhaps too
many. Check out:

http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/Saving-Articles
.html#Saving-Articles

The great thing with Gnus as I see it is 1) you configure it, and
write Lisp stuff, in the way you are so used to from Emacs (it's a
head start), 2) the finger habits (muscle memory) of editing, killing,
yanking, etc., are (obviously) those known from Emacs, and 3) the
integration with everything else: for example, if I'm asking a
question on programming in some newsgroup, I can just switch buffer to
the source code, `kill-ring-save' some function that won't work, yank
it into the post, and send it.

-- 
Emanuel Berg - programmer (hire me! CV below)
computer projects: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
internet activity: http://home.student.uu.se/embe8573

Re: XEmacs

[Glyn Millington]

Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> writes:

> On 12/05/13 22:29, Emanuel Berg wrote:
>> Hils<hils@saynotospam.net> writes:
>>
>>> One of the last things I did with Emacs on my last windoze box was
>>> configure gnus, but I didn't have the time, patience, or brainflops
>>> to set it up as well as I can with a few clicks in Iceweasel, so
>>> Iceweasel it still is for news and mail.
>> I've spent some time configuring Gnus. Mostly it is about looks. You
>> can see a screenshot how far I've come here:
>> http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/pics/usenet.png
>> Now, that dump is from a tabbed urxvt, so it doesn't look exactly
>> like that in the console (for example, there is no underline), but I
>> had to make a short guest appearance in X as to be able to use scrot
>> to take a screenshot. They look more or less the same, anyway.
>> What I've used so far, Gnus is great!
>
> That looks really cool. One of the things which bothered me about Gnus
> was its determination to delete and ignore every article which had
> been read. Is there a way to make it keep local copies of everything
> for n days, 


With Gnus there is always a way :-) 

Note first that Gnus hides read articles by default but they are still
there until they are _expired_.  

See here

http://www.gnus.org/manual/gnus_187.html#SEC187   and especially the
sentences

,----
| If you do not mark an article as expirable, it will remain on your system
| until hell freezes over. This bears repeating one more time, with some
| spurious capitalizations: IF you do NOT mark articles as EXPIRABLE, Gnus
| will NEVER delete those ARTICLES.
`----

So they can be read again simply by entering the group with 

C-u SPC.


Now - how to automate expiry? That man page gives you all the gory
details but as an example I have the following in my .gnus


;; marks mail as expirable once read - VITAL NB this is TOTAL expiry
(setq gnus-total-expirable-newsgroups

"ANDREW\\|CENTRAL\\|CHRISTOPHER\\|CLAIRE\\|MCASLAN\\|DIARY\\|LICC\\|OTHER\\|
.... the real list is much longer but you get the idea")



And you can even specify how long mail hangs around in a particular
group, as below.




;; PER GROUP MAIL EXPIRY - neat!
;; NB the #' before lambda group is essential - not there in manual!!
(setq nnmail-expiry-wait-function
      #'(lambda (group)
       (cond  ((string= group "CHRISTOPHER") 10)
             ((string= group "SYNOD") 10)
             ((string= group "FREEBSD") 3)
	     ((string= group "CENTRAL") 10)
	      ((string= group "OTHER") 1)
              ((string= group "SYSTEM") 1)
	      ((string= group "spam") 'immediate)
             (t
               3))))

Hope that helps!


atb


Glyn

Re: XEmacs

[Emanuel Berg]

Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:

> http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/pics/usenet.png
>
> Now, that dump is from a tabbed urxvt, so it doesn't look exactly
> like that in the console (for example, there is no underline), but I
> had to make a short guest appearance in X as to be able to use scrot
> to take a screenshot. They look more or less the same, anyway.

I just found an incredible tool that can be invoked from Emacs (as any
shell command), and be used to take screenshots of Emacs (and anything
else) running in the console. It is called fbgrab, and is used like
this: `fbgrab dump.png' (I guess "fb" is for "frame buffer"). The tool
is (at least) in my Debian "sid" repositories, and it worked without
the slightest of tweak. Check out the URL above, which is the same as
earlier, only I changed the dump.

-- 
Emanuel Berg - programmer (hire me! CV below)
computer projects: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
internet activity: http://home.student.uu.se/embe8573

Re: XEmacs

[Cecil Westerhof]

Op zondag 12 mei 2013 18:58 CEST schreef hils@saynotospam.net:

> On 11/05/13 20:08, unfrostedpoptart wrote:
>> I've been using emacs since 18.57 / 1988.
>
> That was around the time that I started using MicroEmacs, in a port
> to the Sinclair QL, where (with some OS hacks) it would multitask
> nicely with other programs. It was by far the best all-purpose
> editor even then. I may still have a screenshot somewhere of it
> running on the QL's 512x256 4-colour display.

If you could post it, I would appreciate it. I worked with a QL also.
I found it a magnificent computer. (I started with a ZX Spectrum.)

-- 
Cecil Westerhof
Senior Software Engineer
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cecilwesterhof