From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Barry Margolin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Emacs on Aqua crippleware or is it just broken? Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 20:03:06 GMT Organization: Genuity Managed Services, Woburn, MA Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <_rzta.16$J33.1318@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net> References: <39d9c156.0305042200.1639a252@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052165168 4327 80.91.224.249 (5 May 2003 20:06:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 20:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 05 22:06:00 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19CmDn-00015d-00 for ; Mon, 05 May 2003 22:05:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19CmDY-0004Xk-01 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 May 2003 16:05:44 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!4.24.21.153!chcgil2-snh1.gtei.net!news.bbnplanet.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.sys.mac.apps Mail-Copies-To: never X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) Originator: barmar@genuity.net (Barry Margolin) Original-Lines: 46 Original-X-Trace: +rvUKjJNiKvJ78lwxZ/CaOJuR1GGXBDl9tpMFplaAMp/cgJQ0lxu7t+iuktOPnmBSp73nnmJ2xgb!AOjsA2NTGNs6Tnf+Aul9uAky5ciddMj+JWvCb1Rzk547ijSkJAgZLQjpz/fEucQpG4mfJNydzLt5!qR4yplRJRQlSAQ== Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 20:03:06 GMT Original-Distribution: world Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:112802 comp.sys.mac.apps:360537 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:9296 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:9296 In article , Piet van Oostrum wrote: >>>>>> bk_usenet@yahoo.co.uk (BK) (B) wrote: >B> 4) HIG violations - quitting > >B> On a Mac, all applications *must* quit when "Quit" is selected in the >B> applications main menu (the one that carries its name). Further, >B> applications *must* quit when the user choses "Quit" from the menu in >B> the application's dock item. Finally, Cmd-Q is the designated keyboard >B> shortcut for quitting. > >The Emacs keybinding for quit is C-x C-q. The problem is that if you use >the `standard' Mac keybindings you are non-standard with respect with >other emacsen. Can't you have both? Does Emacs usurp the Command key for something else? >B> 5) HIG violations - paste > >B> On a Mac, cut/copy/paste is Cmd-x/c/v. Emacs doesn't adhere to this, >B> but in principle, this can be changed back to normal by defining >B> keyboard macros. > >Same as above. The keybindings can be changed but then youhave to find >alternatives for the rebound keys. On Windows there is a cua.el and some >others that do this. It would be easy to adapt this to Mac style (Cmd- >rather than Control-). Again, can't you have both? The standard Emacs key bindings use the Control key, while the standard Macintosh shortcuts use the Command key, so there shouldn't be any conflict. >B> 6) Emacs keyboard shortcuts > >B> Most of the Emacs keyboard shortcuts don't work. Bug or feature? > >What do you mean? >I can use all normal Emacs keyboard commands. I wonder if the OP is confusing the Command and Control keys. -- Barry Margolin, barry.margolin@level3.com Genuity Managed Services, a Level(3) Company, Woburn, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group.