From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Get buffer unto a new frame Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2023 11:22:11 +0200 Message-ID: References: <63aR95kjBnrEzFE6lJM9suzyL-9i_WCsNCxKxYgFrpfCNKRsd7a3VasrDsShzVumLgkPHW3JpekQ2AVAtbwlE4nDFCmBMaGx4OcGNTeLpWU=@protonmail.com> <87bkewa0p7.fsf@gmail.com> <87h6omzx88.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xi6F2gO1Us6RV6vx" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27171"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: tpeplt , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Yuri Khan Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 26 11:22:57 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qZpVQ-0006pw-K9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2023 11:22:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qZpUp-0004HE-Bl; Sat, 26 Aug 2023 05:22:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qZpUm-0004H6-DW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2023 05:22:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qZpUj-000165-Av for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2023 05:22:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:Cc:To:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=DZvXMxpuJcSeac75xdrNxqJDaa+zF1eQfoVBtPD+c2A=; b=PwtNXn+4iRBMCm50K79S0xkLtb X9cXzljCj4mYYUY/as5EYvPizsw/MjBFMeFWtQEZPnlFnbcr7qo8Yrq/u8Qasg3iw5+eVu75vJ7Zw Xxp3JlGN6tOIIPU30UGWnS3Tb0wWR6SiYnHcfqfKEikA/vqC1z0/md7dqp6JdoE1lYnQF76O5vmrp 05xIzySqRk99HdsBPugRfG086ss5JeUHhjMiDH+N7VJ7cf75V97CXgsSiBvcP7eg2hyjsd9J1lkZb 18WJ8NMdhc7vnofndT/sRQUVZZj6eNjBaJB4cJIHom6ljEEYr/LAPNsMUZ89S9h+X3NSQbiyrgzn2 VW02ifyA==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1qZpUh-0007nO-7O; Sat, 26 Aug 2023 11:22:11 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:144971 Archived-At: --xi6F2gO1Us6RV6vx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Aug 26, 2023 at 03:28:52PM +0700, Yuri Khan wrote: > On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 at 03:24, tpeplt wrote: >=20 > > I was hoping that there was a tool that > > allowed for descriptions of the diagram elements instead of a > > keyboard/mouse WYSIWYG tool. This would allow a user to describe the > > diagram elements and connections and would then generate the diagram. >=20 > The closest are Graphviz and PlantUML, but they render into SVG and > not plain text, so I don=E2=80=99t reach for them when doing a small simp= le > diagram in an email, a Reddit post, or a code comment. >=20 > Graphviz, in addition, is so low level that on many occasions I=E2=80=99ve > wanted it generated from a higher-level description language rather > than to write it directly. Besides, Graphviz is extremely specialised: its emphasis is in finding positions for its nodes and edges, which is absolutely great if you can't or won't do it yourself but sucks if you either want to convey some information via that positioning or even if your pic doesn't consist of "nodes and edges" in the first place. The nicest "algorithmic" graphics package I know of is PGF/TiKZ [1], but hey, it's a beast. Cheers [1] https://texample.net/tikz/ --=20 t --xi6F2gO1Us6RV6vx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCZOnEPQAKCRAFyCz1etHa RgtDAJ0VvPciqTR8lTmb3d1buQt9DDdDjQCfdAOBbu5Iy5HmJQLtIarNoDBxEXM= =v2dT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xi6F2gO1Us6RV6vx--