From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Placement of list within an interactive clause Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2022 02:40:11 +0300 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35091"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/+ () (2022-06-11) Cc: Christopher Dimech , Help Gnu Emacs To: carlmarcos@tutanota.com Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 17 03:08:11 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oCslW-0008zu-QZ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2022 03:08:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35434 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oCslV-0006F3-9Q for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 21:08:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51240) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oCsk6-0006Eq-SW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 21:06:42 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:58121) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oCsk4-00087u-R3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 21:06:42 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.239.7.228]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000000A3AE6.0000000062D3609D.00001D9A; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 18:06:36 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: carlmarcos@tutanota.com, Christopher Dimech , Help Gnu Emacs Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SBL=0.141, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:138506 Archived-At: * carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor [2022-07-17 01:09]: > > Jul 15, 2022, 21:31 by bugs@gnu.support: > > > * carlmarcos@tutanota.com [2022-07-16 00:23]: > > > >> Yes, I realise that.  I see that (interactive) is misleading.  > >> Although "read-from-minibuffer" cannot be called from M-x, it still > >> asks for input through the minibuffer.  Notwithstanding   that > >> normal programming language code does not customarily lead to user > >> input during run-time, particularly when automation is pursued. > >> > > > > Emacs Lisp is what it is. Text editor IS interactive as by the context > > of English language. Declaration "(interactive)" is not misleading as > > it has pretty good description what it is. If you however, do not > > understand any word in that description, let us know. > > > > > It is misleading when you do not use it, but having the body run > minibuffer commands in the body.  If you want to make a function > without ever interacting with the user (with either M-x or > whatever), then calling any minibuffer functionality in the body is > contrary to what you want to do.  That's all I am saying. Emacs is very interactive. Do you maybe think that functions without (interactive) declaration shall not ask user anything? When invoked only from Lisp there are many uses for such functions. Does it really need to be text input to be considered interactive? Logging of activities may be displayed in a buffer, that is interactive too. Input alone is not interaction. Changing Emacs style is also interaction and need not be invoked interactively. What about this? I am just looking into some files and I find many of functions do have strong interactivity, and they are on my side called form Lisp. I need not call them from M-x or have them as a command just because functions is interacting with user. (defun my-alarm () (start-process "Alarm" "Alarm" "mpv" "/home/data1/protected/Media/Videos/Rooster Crowing Compilation Plus - Rooster crowing sounds Effect 2016.mp4")) -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/