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From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
To: Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com>
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>,
	Arash Esbati <arash@gnu.org>, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>,
	"eliz@gnu.org" <eliz@gnu.org>,
	Help Gnu Emacs <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>,
	"carlmarcos@tutanota.com" <carlmarcos@tutanota.com>
Subject: Re: completing-read depricated initial-input
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 10:08:12 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YrVi3GwQARyD1tdk@protected.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <trinity-6c698e13-7276-490e-a7d4-035562ce47c5-1656022214669@3c-app-mailcom-bs07>

* Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com> [2022-06-24 01:11]:
> Inserting default would make sense.  We should not continue with the
> initial-value name then.  Stating that DEF will be displayed  as first
> instance.  Making things smoother and clearer to understand.

I do not find it so. I do not say how function works, but I wish
 to say what I expect as user. 

How I understand the "default" is that it should be the value
that function gives as result in case when user does not write
anything else, hits enter.

However, it does not work this way with `read-from-minibuffer',
so I will file bug report.

(read-from-minibuffer "Your name: " nil nil nil nil "Jean") ⇒ ""

However, in this function it does work the expected way:

(completing-read "Your name: " '("Jean" "Emmanuel" "Adebayo") nil nil nil nil "Jean") ⇒ "Jean"

(completing-read "Your name: " '("Jean" "Emmanuel" "Adebayo") nil nil nil nil "Adebayo") ⇒ "Adebayo"

So I have filed bug report today, as that is not consistent behavior.

Initial input is something else, that is something I wish to
see there in front of me, ready to be chosen by pressing enter.

Those are totally different events. 

1) I maybe do not want to show any initial input, but if I press
   enter, I need my default

2) I maybe want to show the initial input, but if I delete it and
   press enter with empty string, I still need my default, which may
   be different from initial input.

For me it would be rather damaging to remove initial input as I do
work with it often, there are people employed working with it, it
would affect the business.

-- 
Jean

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-06-24  7:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-21  7:56 completing-read depricated initial-input carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
     [not found] ` <N54Fw5q--3-2@tutanota.com-N54INof----2>
2022-06-21  9:51   ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-06-21 11:19     ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-06-21 12:39       ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-21 12:46         ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-06-21 14:04           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-21 14:10             ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-06-21 14:49               ` Drew Adams
2022-06-22  8:50     ` Jean Louis
2022-06-22  9:32       ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-21 10:26 ` Robert Pluim
2022-06-21 11:15   ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-06-21 12:39 ` Christopher Dimech
2022-06-21 14:09   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-21 18:21     ` Arash Esbati
2022-06-21 19:04       ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-21 20:41       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-21 21:28         ` Arash Esbati
2022-06-21 22:07           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-21 22:56             ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-22 13:43               ` Drew Adams
2022-06-22 15:59                 ` standard libraries again (was: Re: [External] : Re: completing-read depricated initial-input) Emanuel Berg
2022-06-22 17:39                   ` Drew Adams
2022-06-22 18:05                     ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-22 20:53                       ` Drew Adams
2022-06-22 21:18                         ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23  7:59             ` completing-read depricated initial-input Arash Esbati
2022-06-23 10:06               ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-06-23 20:57                 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23 11:19               ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-06-23 12:12                 ` Arash Esbati
2022-06-23 14:52                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-06-23 16:30                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-23 16:41                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-06-23 18:27                         ` Christopher Dimech
2022-06-23 21:14                         ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23 18:25                       ` RE: [External] : " Christopher Dimech
2022-06-23 21:13                       ` [External] : " Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23 21:07                     ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23 21:06                   ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23 14:36                 ` Jean Louis
2022-06-24  2:35                   ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-24  6:59                     ` Jean Louis
2022-06-23 15:19                 ` Jean Louis
2022-06-23 15:24                 ` Jean Louis
2022-06-23 21:05                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-23 22:10                   ` Christopher Dimech
2022-06-23 22:19                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-23 22:28                       ` Christopher Dimech
2022-06-24  7:08                     ` Jean Louis [this message]
2022-06-24  8:19                       ` Christopher Dimech
2022-06-24 11:00                         ` Jean Louis
2022-06-24 16:58                           ` Christopher Dimech
2022-06-24  8:19                       ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-24 11:31                         ` Jean Louis
2022-06-25 18:54                           ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-25 19:51                             ` Jean Louis
2022-06-26 17:36                               ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-24 14:30                         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-24 19:33                           ` RE: [External] : " Christopher Dimech
2022-06-25 19:12                           ` [External] : " Emanuel Berg
2022-06-25 21:26                             ` Drew Adams
2022-06-26 17:39                               ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-26 22:22                                 ` Drew Adams
2022-06-26 22:42                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-24  0:10                   ` Drew Adams
2022-06-24  8:09                     ` RE: [External] : " Christopher Dimech
2022-06-24  2:29                   ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23 16:23               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-23 20:58                 ` Arash Esbati
2022-06-23 21:54                   ` Christopher Dimech
2022-06-24  2:49                   ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-22  3:09           ` Po Lu
2022-06-22  3:46             ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-22  4:56             ` Christopher Dimech
2022-06-23  8:20             ` Arash Esbati
2022-06-23  8:27               ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23  8:57                 ` Tassilo Horn
2022-06-23 10:10                   ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23 11:26                     ` Tassilo Horn
2022-06-23 11:48                       ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-06-23 21:38                         ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-24  8:03                           ` Christopher Dimech
2022-06-23 21:34                       ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23 11:58                     ` Arash Esbati
2022-06-23 12:10                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-23 14:26                         ` Tassilo Horn
2022-06-23 14:46                           ` Arash Esbati
2022-06-23 15:18                             ` Robert Pluim
2022-06-23 20:46                               ` Arash Esbati
2022-06-24  8:40                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-06-24  2:22                             ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-24  2:17                           ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23 21:49                         ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23 21:42                       ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-23 16:25                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-23 19:56                     ` Tassilo Horn
2022-06-24 11:23                       ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-06-24 11:36                         ` Jean Louis
2022-06-25 19:01                           ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-25 21:26                             ` Drew Adams
2022-06-22  2:59         ` RE: [External] : " Christopher Dimech
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-06-21 14:56 Anders Munch
2022-06-22  8:45 ` Jean Louis
2022-06-22 10:02 Anders Munch
2022-06-22 11:58 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-22 13:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-22 13:17 Anders Munch
2022-06-22 13:43 Anders Munch

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