From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Netiquette is way to go Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 10:43:29 +0300 Message-ID: References: <83h74rxze0.fsf@gnu.org> <83bkuzxvur.fsf@gnu.org> <878rq2gyoc.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h74pc9rj.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7190"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/+ () (2022-05-21) Cc: goncholden , Eli Zaretskii , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 13 10:02:57 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o0f2H-0001cM-TG for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 10:02:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36852 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o0f2G-0006ih-I9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 04:02:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56596) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o0f1H-0006hi-DU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 04:01:56 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:34335) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o0f1F-0003lP-Fj; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 04:01:55 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:102.84.37.119]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000087C55.0000000062A6EEEE.00003EF1; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 01:01:49 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Po Lu , goncholden , Eli Zaretskii , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87h74pc9rj.fsf@yahoo.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137776 Archived-At: * Po Lu [2022-06-13 10:18]: > Because you did not ask about automatic indentation. From the point of > view of everyone except you, you were asking how to adapt the Emacs > Fortran indentation rules to your (legacy) code, and not how to disable > automatic indentation. How I see it: user did not express himself about "indentation" but tried in his own words to explain what is happening and what is desired. We cannot expect of users new to Emacs to know what is electric-indent-mode as that is too high expectation. I gave example of indentation mentioned in other editors, Emacs does not offer a menu item where indentation can be set. We cannot tell to users "why you did not ask about electric-indent-mode" as that means we have too high expectations. We cannot even expect users to read the manual first before asking on the mailing list for help. As by reading manual one would find out that indentation is automatic. I use Emacs long time, and I did not know that indentation is automatic until I read the manual yesterday to find out about it. I was under impression that I have set the indentation in my init.el and forgot about it. We can't have too high expectations on this mailing list. This is not for experienced users only, not for developers, it is for "Help". -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/