From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Would there be a drawback of using the same graphical toolkit on every platform? Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 17:22:42 +0300 Message-ID: References: <83tucvz53x.fsf@gnu.org> <875ypaebhr.fsf@zoho.eu> <878ru6crrk.fsf@zoho.eu> <87mtikybqo.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4623"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.0 (2022-02-12) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 22 15:28:23 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nMW9P-0000zJ-75 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Feb 2022 15:28:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59942 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nMW9O-0005Tk-4g for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Feb 2022 09:28:22 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40566) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nMW83-0005Sg-1N for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Feb 2022 09:27:00 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:58857) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nMW80-0003Gf-JM for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Feb 2022 09:26:58 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.239.7.54]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000087ECA.000000006214F2AE.000053A9; Tue, 22 Feb 2022 07:26:53 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87mtikybqo.fsf@zoho.eu> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SBL=0.141, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:136143 Archived-At: * Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor [2022-02-21 09:29]: > But isn't the "lumping" in this context lumping together the > proprietary Unix systems (e.g. SunOS/Solaris), the Linux > distros and the BSDs into Unix? I would not say, I have actually understand you and agree with you that they are "Unix" though I think it is better to say they are "Unix-like", and I don't mind it. > While the splitting is splitting the Unix into "Unix" and > "Unix-like"? Of course not only that... There are too many differences to explain here, it's not subject for Emacs. > > There is general tendency in Emacs society to go rather > > towards "splitters" group. Lumpers don't participate much > > in discussions. > > That comment is so splitter. Why don't you join the lumper's > camp and get into the game? If in that camp there are nice people to meet, I will join. I don't mind what they think or write. > No, I disagree that is incorrect not to use it, because > I think that distinctions in the world of technology should be > made in terms of technology and reflect technology. And me not, I think in terms of definitions and what companies, governments, trademarks and thus people forcibly consent to. And I recognize fully that you can call it as you wish, who cares. I would not tell to somebody "Just take any Unix like GNU" because it is not true, and I would not recommend Unix as it is not free software (that I know). So in that sense for people who read this, not for you, I was mentioning "Unix-like." Who cares for some if they want this or that. There is artistic freedom too, freedom of expression. > What some business dudes piled together in their fancy documents > shouldn't influence how I, a technology person, refer to > technology. dig(1)? Then expect to get into discussions. As me being from Europe I can see many things what African people don't see, so I enter into discussions all the time, as I am bringing some new reality onto them. > > Do you see this letter A and A? Are they same? They look > > same but they are not same, as they must be saved in quite > > different locations by different impulses which are not > > same. > > Here we see my Lumper instinct, because I think they are > both A. They may be both similar to A, though they are never same, because you said that A and A is equal to A, but it is not really, we stop our observation of what it is at simple meaning, but as they are in different space they cannot be equal. Not even those pixels are of perfectly equal size, and their memory electrons are not in same place, they are quite distinct to each other, in other words, what you thought of (eq 'A 'A) ⇒ t is not what is reality. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/