From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to rename files to numbers in Eshell? Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 16:43:34 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87tuirckxp.fsf@inka.de> <87ee9u2neh.fsf@inka.de> <87wnn6h21u.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25496"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.7+183 (3d24855) (2021-05-28) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 25 15:49:55 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mU83v-0006TQ-AG for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 15:49:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45534 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mU83t-0005Mh-Mq for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 09:49:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34536) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mU83O-0005MK-EL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 09:49:22 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:45671) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mU83J-0003jN-LT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 09:49:21 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.210.141.245]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000037FE7.00000000614F28BA.000025C5; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 06:48:42 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87wnn6h21u.fsf@zoho.eu> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:133236 Archived-At: > > I have transcribed almost anything I used to do in Bash to > > Emacs Lisp. For example image resizing with external > > `mogrify' > > Holy cow, lucky me I don't think like that as I have 100+ zsh > to (if so) translate into Elisp ... [1] > > I don't think it is a matter of Elisp being less or more wordy > (but interestingly Elisp and Lisp in general is very wordy > while shell script languages and zsh in particular has > a syntax that is extremely compact and cryptic) - so while it > isn't about that (here), it is rather about where you are and > what you do. Elisp for editing files and inputting text and > shell languages for all work in/from the filesystem. When personal Emacs environment develops than it becomes rather tedious to do it in Bash when there are many prepared and ready functions from Emacs Lisp. The more environment is developed and user knows about it, the easier it becomes to think with Emacs handling stuff that common users would otherwise handle with the shell. > > There are more functions available to Emacs Lisp than to > > Bash, re-usability in Emacs Lisp is so much higher. > > You are aware that there are other shells than Bash? Sure, like eshell. ;-) I would use any program if it satisfies the purpose. Within `mutt' email client I will use `fzf' and `psql' to choose some items from the database and completion and tabulated list mode to choose items from within Emacs. So it really does not matter. What user knows or prefers personal and what is more useful shall be first chosen. > Also, shell programming doesn't rely on functions half as much > as does well, functional programming like Lisp. If you don't rely, then don't, otherwise Bash script can be developed very similar to Emacs lisp with a lot of reusable functions. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/