From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Quote by Knuth Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 16:41:48 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87o8b4eiyr.fsf@mbork.pl> <87y2a8ecck.fsf@zoho.eu> <87k0lsdsaw.fsf@mbork.pl> <87eebweq7y.fsf@mbork.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27991"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.7+183 (3d24855) (2021-05-28) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Emanuel Berg To: Christopher Dimech Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 18 18:52:08 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m5A1Q-000747-9p for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 18:52:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57684 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5A1O-0004Oc-9R for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 12:52:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40558) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5A14-0004OU-Ah for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 12:51:46 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:48507) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5A11-0003hn-GE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 12:51:46 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.54]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000057F2A.0000000060F45C1C.00006FE4; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 09:51:39 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Christopher Dimech , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Emanuel Berg Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: 45 X-Spam_score: 4.5 X-Spam_bar: ++++ X-Spam_report: (4.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=1.592, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:131830 Archived-At: * Christopher Dimech [2021-07-18 16:18]: > Knuth is over-rated. He did not invent anything. Mathematical type-setting > had existed long before Knuth. Today people have became obsessed with > typesetting, even though the most important thing is the information within > rather on how nice an alpha can be printed. When I see this email, I can read it as I know the expected format and I can quickly read and grasp. When I see typographical errors in a document which is so often the case with people using proprietary Microsoft Word, I tend to slow down and get as if author did not put attention on correct writing then it also influences understanding. Small things do matter and help in faster reading and thus faster learning. Without it, the information within one cannot easily understand or one may get difficulties. It just happens that I receive various applications written that way. Then I think if author did not put attention on proper writing then which other numbers are also neglected? This indication discovery method happen to be true all of the times. When you see serious formatting mistakes, you should know it is a tip of the iceberg. It does relate to literacy. > > Project has been programmed, it is finished and years pass, now come > > the new generation and that generation of people should be able to > > understand all details of the program in general. That understanding > > would come from literate programming. > > Mostly they trash it than trying to understand. That happened to > me. Simply gave up and done things again as I understand them. Is this because they rewrote it in other programming language? Why not recommend Emacs Lisp? It is quite good for many office tasks. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/