From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: 2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: common lisp vs elisp. Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2021 20:42:39 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87bl81kz3b.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8411"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 20 05:43:11 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1luoMZ-0001x7-De for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2021 05:43:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49672 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1luoMY-0001XE-D3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Jun 2021 23:43:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38728) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com>) id 1luoMF-0001X5-AU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jun 2021 23:42:51 -0400 Original-Received: from www458.your-server.de ([136.243.165.62]:39260) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com>) id 1luoMD-0001L7-7z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jun 2021 23:42:50 -0400 Original-Received: from sslproxy02.your-server.de ([78.47.166.47]) by www458.your-server.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from <2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com>) id 1luoMA-0008vL-PU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2021 05:42:46 +0200 Original-Received: from [47.44.249.130] (helo=localhost) by sslproxy02.your-server.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com>) id 1luoM9-0002H2-Gs for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2021 05:42:46 +0200 Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Authenticated-Sender: 2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com X-Virus-Scanned: Clear (ClamAV 0.103.2/26206/Sat Jun 19 13:15:41 2021) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=136.243.165.62; envelope-from=2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com; helo=www458.your-server.de X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_SBL_A=0.1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:131064 Archived-At: On 2021-06-20 at 11:26:43 +0800, Hongyi Zhao wrote: > On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 11:13 AM Emanuel Berg via Users list for the > GNU Emacs text editor wrote: [...] > > Common Lisp (or CL, 1984) is the industrial-strength Lisp > > while Emacs Lisp (or Elisp, 1985) is the Emacs > > domain-specific Lisp. > > So, the following questions come to my mind: > > 1. Does this mean that the former is a superset of the latter? No. > 2. What's the standard compiler/debugger for the latter on *nix platforms? There's not really a standard. That's one of the great things about *nix (as opposed to POSIX). :-) If you want a free solution, the de facto environment is SBCL (https://sbcl.org) and SLIME under Emacs. For a commercial solution, try Allegro (https://franz.com/products/allegrocl/). Both implement CLtL2 and have an ANSI standards compliant mode.