From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How users start programming in Emacs Lisp... Date: Mon, 31 May 2021 01:50:26 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87wnrggh5x.fsf@zoho.eu> <87tumjgan7.fsf@zoho.eu> <874kejg90t.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15874"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.7+183 (3d24855) (2021-05-28) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 31 00:53:25 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lnUJB-0003xu-RE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 31 May 2021 00:53:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35920 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lnUJ6-0004Ux-74 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 30 May 2021 18:53:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45244) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lnUIT-0004TO-T0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 May 2021 18:52:41 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:55975) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lnUIR-0003AS-W2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 May 2021 18:52:41 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:102.86.7.33]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000000AE2D6.0000000060B41735.000077DB; Sun, 30 May 2021 15:52:37 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <874kejg90t.fsf@zoho.eu> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:130367 Archived-At: * Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor [2021-05-31 01:20]: > Jean Louis wrote: > > > But it could as well open it, instead jump to the heading. > > It could jump to edit the note, or to read the PDF, or watch > > movie. Only that attributes are defined in the object > > itself, not in the Lisp function. > > Yes you can use it to go to different places but we do that > with Emacs all the time already because otherwise we wouldn't > even be able to use it... > > So maybe it is an interface to do that? Interface yes. In dired we jump, but you cannot jump or get a list of PDFs all related to specific subject, or tagged, or related to people, groups, activities, you name it. Richer attributes, variety of properties, rich associations, unlimited tags, those are lacking in the file system. Then there is no central reporting of software to user... software installs itself and does not tell to user where is the config file. Either one has to read manual, or try to search manually. Instead installations could report to user by some meaningful structural way what they did to the file system and that such information becomes easily available to user: search for program name, get all hyperlinks to all files or events caused by that program (as event). -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns Sign an open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/