From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Simplification of outline-minor-mode Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 00:24:46 +0300 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10141"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.6 (2021-03-06) Cc: Help Gnu Emacs To: pietru@caramail.com Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 21 23:28:25 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lkCgw-0002Gx-Sg for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 21 May 2021 23:28:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51732 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkCgu-0004mV-Se for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 21 May 2021 17:28:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38262) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkCgY-0004mL-4c for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 May 2021 17:27:58 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:37585) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkCgW-0003zG-0R for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 May 2021 17:27:57 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:154.224.42.9]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000000ADF16.0000000060A825D8.00005B9C; Fri, 21 May 2021 14:27:52 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: pietru@caramail.com, Help Gnu Emacs Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:130025 Archived-At: * pietru@caramail.com [2021-05-22 00:04]: > > Could there be some consistency in outline-mode as it does get very confusing. > For instance, "Show Branches", "Show Children", "Hide Leaves", "Hide Sublevels". > Lot of esoteric names (leaves, brances), and then it switches to human beings > (children). Confusion is unavoidable. Please M-x report-emacs-bug and propose something better. Show Menu: ========== Show All is on first place, it opens it all Hide Menu: ========== Hide Body is on second place, it does the opposite to Show all It should be: Show All - Hide All, both on first place in menus, IMHO. Show Menu <----> Hide Menu: =========================== 2nd place: Show Entry (means show the body), but in Hide Menu is called "Hide Body" In this case at least the order is somehow right, we give kudo to author. But look, maybe people drink late night, or consume something, we don't know where the menu creation like that comes from... Either: Show Body - Hide Body, or Show Entry - Hide Entry, that makes sense. Maybe author waits for bug reports as that is how they know that people use it... If one hovers with mouse over "Show branches" it speaks about "Show all subheadings"... hahahhahah I don't think "children" should be used there, as that is not really for authors of text. It would be better that menu items get more descriptive, more clear. Mouse tips in the echo area are more descriptive, menu items are confusing. File a bug and propose how it should be. I will not file a bug, I will keep it for M-x entertaining-mode. I can give it to some staff members to count how many hours they need until they get it. (I don't get it.) -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns Sign an open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/