From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why use CTL-x CTL-c to quit instead of CTL-x CTL-q? Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 23:52:30 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87mtube966.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13581"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.6 (2021-03-06) Cc: Skip Montanaro , help-gnu-emacs , Hongyi Zhao To: Philip Kaludercic , g@protected.localdomain Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 06 22:58:01 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lTslt-0003NZ-1k for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2021 22:58:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49884 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lTsls-00027D-0T for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2021 16:58:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36726) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lTslI-00025o-NB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2021 16:57:24 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:59203) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lTslF-00062c-08 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2021 16:57:24 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.210.159.189]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000001DF95.00000000606CCB0E.00005C75; Tue, 06 Apr 2021 13:56:46 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Philip Kaludercic , g@protected.localdomain, Skip Montanaro , help-gnu-emacs , Hongyi Zhao Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87mtube966.fsf@posteo.net> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:128873 Archived-At: * Philip Kaludercic [2021-04-06 18:16]: > Skip Montanaro writes: > > > P.S. Do vi/vim users wonder why its key bindings don't correspond more > > strongly to common Windows, Mac or Unix/Linux interface standards? I > > rarely need to use vim, but if they changed the quit command (:q or > > :q!) I'd be completely lost. How would I ever get back to the shell > > prompt? Oh, right, C-z followed by kill(1). > > I don't think so, as vi(m) is culturally more about the keys than the > software. People use vi(m) for vi(m), while many use Emacs for {org, magit, > whatever} and find Emacs to be an obstacle. Or that is at least how I I expect on every system to have vi available just because Emacs is not available. That is where trouble starts. Sometimes use to edit remote files within M-x shell. If I remember well "vi" stands for "victim": vi tutorial for beginners: http://web-old.archive.org/web/20120528000356/http://www.dina.kvl.dk/~abraham/religion/vi-tutorial.html Editors 101 Menace: http://web-old.archive.org/web/20120208080648/http://www.dina.kvl.dk/~abraham/religion/editors-101.html Quote: ====== All vi commands have nice mnemonics. The mnemonic for leaving vi is: ape this thing, // The colon-thing is a nickname for vi. uit and do // C slang for `!'. Here used in the meaning `never'. urn. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns Sign an open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman https://rms-support-letter.github.io/