From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Vim project helps in Uganda, Emacs shall be next Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 09:14:15 +0300 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22678"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 21 07:18:04 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lDi4C-0005oM-J8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 07:18:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60180 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDi4B-0003JI-L1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 01:18:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44258) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDi3K-0003HE-AU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 01:17:11 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:47381) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lDi3F-0004Mu-PJ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 01:17:09 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.210.154.232]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000001DFF5.000000006031FADF.00001825; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 23:17:02 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:128169 Archived-At: * Pankaj Jangid [2021-02-17 08:13]: > Jean Louis writes: > > > Just as Vim users contribute to educational development in Uganda, > > Emacs users can contribute too. And we shall make larger project then > > Vim. > > > > Why only Uganda? Not that "only" was mentioned, it is just that Vim does it in Uganda and I can do something in Uganda, but I can do equally well in Kenya or Tanzania as there I go too, from time to time. Now I have resources in Uganda, so I do it in Ugnada. > 1. My opinion is that if one free software is already working to improve > conditions in an area then a second project should pick another > area. We are not competing. We must work in cohesion. It really does not matter. I am unable to help in other country for time being. I can now do something in Uganda. Picking another area is not really comfortable or financially affordable option. Instead of renovating the school building for little money I would then need to pay that money for flights. Uganda is large country, people live in poverty conditions, many children do not go to school. Helping with education creates better conditions in future that also positively impact other countries, as we are all connected by business. Vim project helps in Uganda since longer time, Bram Moolenaar made such wonderful social betterments. See: https://iccf.nl/ https://iccf.nl/kcc.html https://iccf-holland.org/news.html and finally Google Photos of Bram Moolenaar's contributions in Uganda: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipO7A4tWDjnDpZ8vZbsB5_No5j9A72PSWy_-p8np3bLKiq3Spq0WmrcQC64DZzb0Pg?key=N1VTekZYNjZENWtjMFVQcGVfWFQ3WDhqOXFNQldB Bram Moolenaar and Vim users support those social betterment projects, he receives donations, one part goes for those betterments. That is really great as a side project of Vim text editor. Instead of getting rich by selling editor, he makes generations of children come out with better education. Education in Uganda is not really free, maybe somewhere on paper. Children > 2. I think the goals of Vim and GNU projects are not the same. GNU > manifesto is much broader, if we read word-by-word. FSF also needs > funding to cover those targets. It really does not matter what are goals of Vim or GNU project as helping in social betterment is a side project, something I do while I do other activities, on the way, along the way. There is no need for manifesto. It would be nice if FSF could sponsor the education project I have already prepared, we will see that, as I will send the proposal when finished. Jean