From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: not good proposal: "C-z " reserved for users Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 10:58:05 +0300 Message-ID: References: <871rdk4c1m.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <640551af-d035-f133-3b98-fe7c7a06279d@yandex.ru> <87blcn76ti.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29414"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 14 09:01:57 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lBCLs-0007YZ-4L for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 09:01:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57282 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lBCLr-0004vi-5X for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 03:01:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35230) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lBCLD-0004v6-NB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 03:01:15 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:53347) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lBCLB-0002YX-D8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 03:01:15 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.0.47]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000001E079.000000006028D8C6.000061C7; Sun, 14 Feb 2021 01:01:09 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87blcn76ti.fsf@zoho.eu> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -3 X-Spam_score: -0.4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:128002 Archived-At: * Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor [2021-02-14 04:54]: > I'm just one person (d'oh) who didn't even knew of the survey, > and TBH I was totally chocked by that digit (7344 responses) - > I mean, here were are some 20 bunch of guys talking about the > same damn stuff year in year out - and suddenly 7344 people > have responded to a, to me unheard of survey! - but anyway ... > in my case it isn't correct. It was advertised mostly on Reddit page. That page does not even advertise official Emacs website. Sadly. I consider it biased and specific to specific groups of users, mostly on Reddit. > So I never did Vim. I understand "visudo" but apart from > understanding it it doesn't make sense to me based on previous > or any experience whatsoever actually. I have no idea which editors I have used before, if I remember well some Norton Commander related or similar. With GNU/Linux in 1999 I have learned about various editors equally, so Emacs and vi or nvi at that time. For most of shorter tasks today I may choose nvi or vi, like BSD version. Sometimes vim; for dwelling, doing life and programming I use Emacs. I wish I could or maybe I should, expand all the database related functions to use the program `bemenu' instead of Emacs narrowing completion frameworks or tabulated-list-mode whenever I am using some other editor. That way I could program Emacs Lisp to be invoked from other editors to help me in editing and processing actions related to people equally. https://github.com/Cloudef/bemenu > Indeed, I think the terminal multiplexers and in particular > tmux has removed the need for C-z/fg. It is better as well, > since you don't let go of Emacs. Concurrent running of a processes in the same time is not related to suspending a job or unsuspending it, or running the job in the background of single shell. tmux, screen or nohup are not related to shell job control. They run processes and continue running them even if user logs off. That feature is not related to job control of a process, but it can be helpful to keep the suspended job in a shell even if user logs off. Jean