From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: not good proposal: "C-z " reserved for users Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 13:14:29 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87r1llsuxq.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <0e37cf97-b9ee-e3af-16e3-3a312c47e75f@yandex.ru> <83pn14e8zs.fsf@gnu.org> <837dnce3lx.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3381"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 13 11:18:44 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lAs0i-0000mf-Ik for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 11:18:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56636 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAs0h-00076E-KR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 05:18:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47272) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAs08-000764-Hi for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 05:18:08 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:54331) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAs06-0007dQ-WE; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 05:18:08 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.3]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000001E078.000000006027A75C.0000683C; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 03:18:04 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <837dnce3lx.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127926 Archived-At: * Eli Zaretskii [2021-02-13 12:09]: > > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 11:37:56 +0300 > > From: Jean Louis > > Cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com, > > gregory@heytings.org, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > > > > > So please don't assume C-z is some shell job control magic; it isn't. > > > This is Emacs emulating that magic, because we decided long ago to do > > > that. Arguing that Emacs does it because the underlying shell does it > > > is therefore counter-productive. > > > > Maybe there is some misunderstanding. Your explanation is definitely > > clarifying for others, for me I understood it already though without > > those technicalities. > > Your understanding didn't show in the text you were writing. That is > why I replied to the large number of messages you devoted to the C-z > issue, which quite clearly said that C-z _is_ job control. Showing > how the various shells handle that didn't help. People on this list > are not necessarily fluent in the Emacs internals, so telling them > that C-z is just a key binding in Emacs, like any other one, looked > important to me. Sure, that is right. I also understood it is decision of a program recently. I was thinking shell has more power over invoked programs, but it does not.