From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: not good proposal: "C-z " reserved for users Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 12:01:09 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87r1llsuxq.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> <0e37cf97-b9ee-e3af-16e3-3a312c47e75f@yandex.ru> <329d68a5edb1128c1e5b@heytings.org> <87tuqhro4r.fsf@zoho.eu> <87wnvc8kd1.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11303"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 13 10:03:47 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lAqqB-0002sI-BA for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 10:03:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51434 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAqqA-0004cm-CI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:03:46 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36268) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAqpb-0004bg-1O for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:03:11 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:37973) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAqpY-0000xI-Iw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:03:10 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.3]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000001DFF5.00000000602795C9.00005F9B; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 02:03:04 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87wnvc8kd1.fsf@zoho.eu> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127920 Archived-At: * Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor [2021-02-13 11:05]: > Jean Louis wrote: > > >> Virutal Private Servers, dedicate servers are in millions > >> or billions [...] > > > > Those are not mine, those are installations worldwide. > > Hey, how many drips of H2O are the in the Niagara falls? > Millions or billions, right? For H20 who knows. I have no idea of number of Internet servers, it requires researching and thinking how to estimate it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_hosts https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/05/14/whos-got-the-most-web-servers/ If 1&1 company has 70000 Internet servers in 2010, maybe now they have double or triple that amount. I do not know how many VPS-es are spawned on each server and not each is used for VPS business. But let us say 50000 servers are used for VPS-e and 20 virtual machines are spawned, that is already 500,000 VPS-es, so 1 company could alone already represent 1 million of VPS-es spawned. If there are 1000 companies that may reach 1 billion. I do believe there must be millions of VPSes that are sold to customers and administered by customers in one way or the other. I also believe that there must be billions of VPS-es anyway, but not necessarily administered by customers, many can be spawned automatically up and down for process control or whatever operations. Among manye millions or VPS-es spawned I believe that number of people entering into VPS by using shell is considerable, maybe one tenth of the number, that could easily by one million of people. One part of those could be sometimes using Emacs. For example company Digitalocean provides VPSes to people, they provide instructions for Emacs here: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-the-emacs-editor-in-linux That means Digitalocean provides for its customers tutorial and there are customers who use Emacs and entering their VPSes and handling shell stuff. But how many is hard to know. Such customers will rather not invoke popularity contests statistics reporting or consider VPS to be their personal machine. Jean