From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: not good proposal: "C-z " reserved for users Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:42:59 +0300 Message-ID: References: <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692@mail.yahoo.com> <83tuqnkzff.fsf@gnu.org> <8ed9b435026a7f251086@heytings.org> <87wnvg2ir0.fsf@mbork.pl> <87ft23g1o2.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4688"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 10 20:47:55 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9vSs-00018A-Ue for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 20:47:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34376 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9vSs-0000Io-04 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 14:47:54 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56334) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9vRm-0000Ib-GK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 14:46:46 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:44713) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9vRf-0004FK-VR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 14:46:46 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.3]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000001E07B.000000006024381C.000065E8; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 12:46:36 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87ft23g1o2.fsf@zoho.eu> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127780 Archived-At: * Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor [2021-02-10 22:33]: > Jean Louis wrote: > > > There is no danger in shell as C-z almost in all cases means > > "suspend job". Any other editor I know in shell is suspended > > by C-z. > > The other day I wrote that it didn't work with tmux. But that > was incorrect, it was zsh that made it not work. > > With bash, it works both ways (`suspend-frame', then fg) in > a plain Linux VT (tty) but also in a VT with tmux on top. > > In zsh, suspend-frame doesn't work in a tmux pane but it does > work with a plain tty. However fg still doesn't work, it says > the by-now familiar 'no job control in this shell'. > > zsh should be one of the more common shells these days, while > not as common as bash, of course. Still common enough to make > one hesitant about the degree of standardization in this case. What I know is that I learned job control very early when learning about the shell and I use it frequently. I do expect from each shell program to allow me to suspend it. Those running and listing programs must be also interruptable. And I also expect to be able to stop the output by using Control-S. This I am writing here not related to Emacs, but to give user experience testimony. That is how I have worked over last decades. Related to zsh: http://zsh.sourceforge.net/Doc/Release/Jobs-_0026-Signals.html