From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: not good proposal: "C-z " reserved for users Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 13:21:16 +0300 Message-ID: References: <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692@mail.yahoo.com> <83tuqnkzff.fsf@gnu.org> <87blct4qb7.fsf@mbork.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7072"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Francis Belliveau To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 10 11:22:15 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9mdS-0001ji-VW for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:22:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40444 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9mdS-0002Cy-1U for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 05:22:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39998) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9mcv-0002Cr-VA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 05:21:42 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:35357) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9mct-0007MM-Gq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 05:21:41 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.3]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000001DFF5.000000006023B3B0.00002247; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 03:21:35 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Marcin Borkowski , Francis Belliveau , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87blct4qb7.fsf@mbork.pl> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127759 Archived-At: * Marcin Borkowski [2021-02-09 11:07]: > > On 2021-02-09, at 07:41, Jean Louis wrote: > > > Job control is important part of computer operation, that is why C-z > > shall remain untouched, just how it is now. > > But why bind C-z when Emacs is run under a graphical windowing > system? >From description of `suspend-frame': Do whatever is right to suspend the current frame. Calls ‘suspend-emacs’ if invoked from the controlling tty device, ‘suspend-tty’ from a secondary tty device, and ‘iconify-or-deiconify-frame’ from a graphical frame. It iconifies the window and user can use other windows. That is close to what C-z does in terminal. Having C-z do that in X is quite good and harmonized to what C-z does in the shell. I do believe that many people do not use that feature and that people may re-assign C-z to something else. But those are personal preferences, it would not be good to simple take away C-z from users as that breaks habits and introduces new problems. But me for example, I do not use window frames or window icons such as maximize, minimize, iconify in my Window Manager. I have used various window managers, now using IceWM. To iconify the window by using mouse I would need to search in the anyway hidden toolbar for the proper window, then right mouse click and then minimize. That is tiresome. Alternative is that I do Alt-F9 that minimizes window. But then again I am user of various window managers. In other window manager I would not maybe know or remember what is the key to minimize the window. If I only remember C-z for Emacs that works at all times independent of window manager. My `z' is much closer to my left hand fingers than Alt-F9 as Window Manager function. That is why C-z is way better and handier solution to minimize the frame. Jean