From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Proposal: "C-z " reserved for users Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 13:57:23 +0300 Message-ID: References: <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692@mail.yahoo.com> <87r1lqyiyk.fsf@yandex.com> <87czx94w3b.fsf@mbork.pl> <555c4ea0-dc93-0c84-b25e-395020809941@yandex.ru> <8ed9b4350244e6ebf6f6@heytings.org> <36a33101-64fd-a880-f47e-393d1318517d@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27996"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) Cc: Help GNU Emacs To: Skip Montanaro Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 10 12:02:51 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9nGk-0007Ae-UY for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 12:02:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45766 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9nGk-0000H9-0C for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 06:02:50 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49172) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9nFk-0000EL-P9 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 06:01:50 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:36871) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9nFb-0007qA-Gi for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 06:01:48 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.3]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000001E079.000000006023BD10.000027CB; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 04:01:35 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Skip Montanaro , Help GNU Emacs Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127764 Archived-At: * Skip Montanaro [2021-02-09 18:59]: > Not being a graphic artist, I never had a need to use Photoshop. I simply > don't understand its model of image editing. The most image editing I ever > did was with simple tools like early versions of MacPaint. While I have no > proof, I suspect a semi-competent Photoshop user could pick up the basics > of GIMP pretty quickly. Every once in a while I think, "I'll just fire up > GIMP for this one little thing." I stumble around for a while, accomplish > nothing and eventually run screaming out of the room. I then go back to > kolourpaint. It's not a big deal. If it was really that important I would > spend the time to figure out GIMP, read a book or find a tutorial. I don't > bitch that GIMP doesn't work like kolourpaint. I think Emacs is similar in > that respect. It has a ton of power. Users have to realize that and be > willing to spend some time learning. If all people want to do is enter some > text, they can run Notepad. Off-topic: Yesterday I have seen Adobe Photoshop on computer of business card producer in Kampala, Uganda. Because I know various Gimp functions, I could explain to the operator how to resize layers, move and copy them and make it right. Operator seemed to have same problems like you with the exception that there was no escape to the kolourpaint.