From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Proposal: "C-z " reserved for users Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 13:54:04 +0300 Message-ID: References: <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692@mail.yahoo.com> <87r1lqyiyk.fsf@yandex.com> <87czx94w3b.fsf@mbork.pl> <555c4ea0-dc93-0c84-b25e-395020809941@yandex.ru> <8ed9b4350244e6ebf6f6@heytings.org> <36a33101-64fd-a880-f47e-393d1318517d@yandex.ru> <8ed9b435029cc067e204@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3713"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 10 11:57:08 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9nBE-0000qW-3w for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:57:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42114 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9nBD-00071f-62 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 05:57:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47900) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9nAn-0006zR-GD for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 05:56:41 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:41141) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9nAl-0005Vs-TN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 05:56:41 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.3]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000001E079.000000006023BBE4.0000270B; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 03:56:36 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Gregory Heytings , Dmitry Gutov , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8ed9b435029cc067e204@heytings.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127763 Archived-At: * Gregory Heytings [2021-02-09 16:05]: > > > > > That still requires extra research on the part of the user. As well as > > subsequent adaptation. > > > > I fear everything requires adaptation in Emacs ;-) > > > > Moreover the bindings for "undo" are not more exotic than those of > > > copy (M-w), cut (C-w) and paste (C-y). > > > > True, even though it is a bit more exotic (the advertised binding is a > > whole key sequence rather than a plain modifier+key). > > > > If you think this is a problem, I would suggest to change the advertised > binding to "C-/" instead of "C-x u". Isn't it already undo on C-/ as alternative to C-x u? But please don't change C-x u as that is what I expect to work always. I use my personal Emacs with configuration and plethora of other Emacses on other VPS-es and other computers and in those cases muscle memory remembers defaults. On those Emacses there are no personal configurations, so automatically I use C-x u or to change window C-x o while in personal configuration I use s-arrows to change windows. It is better not breaking habits.