From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: History Re: Debunking Emacs merits over GUI - Re: package for Email Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 17:35:46 +0300 Message-ID: References: <20230118180348.gzwvy6iztok45ko3@zoho.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24112"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.9+54 (af2080d) (2022-11-21) Cc: Milan Glacier , Gottfried , "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" To: David Masterson Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 21 16:48:54 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pJG6u-00066Q-Ni for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 16:48:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pJG6J-0004fL-NK; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 10:48:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pJG6I-0004ex-2y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 10:48:14 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pJG6G-0007Dd-64 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 10:48:13 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.239.14.92]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000010394E.0000000063CC093B.00005780; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 08:48:10 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: David Masterson , Milan Glacier , Gottfried , "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:142477 Archived-At: * David Masterson [2023-01-21 09:10]: > While RMS' goal may have been laudable, many (most) programmers could > not see how to monetize their work in a free software environment and, > so, went where the money was more plentiful. Without the investment of > big bucks that copyrighted software could command, development of Emacs > in the 90s slowed to a crawl and depended on the programmer "with an > itch". Good stuff was done, but it could've been so much more. This is > why Emacs development took 40 years whereas things might've happened > faster in the more capitalistic world (but Emacs would've been very > different beast!). I agree to your points. Though if you say that Emacs could have been more suitable to general public if it would be proprietary, maybe yes, but it would not be extensible. As proprietary decisions would lead to control of people, and extensibility features are not part of it. And proprietary Emacs would not include too many features, as they would be wasting resources, and not bringing money, as you said. > 5. Smartphones > > The iPhone is still not capable of supporting Emacs and I don't know how > well Android could support Emacs. Even if they could support Emacs, > Smartphones are GUI-intensive, so not really an environment for a text > editor. So the next generation of users/programmers are going to be > "non-GUI challenged". Right. Emacs runs without problem in Termux for Replicant/Android and similar systems. There is nice tap-keyboard, with CTRL, ALT, etc. which is locked, user can basically use single finger to get all Emacs commands. There is effort on Emacs Development mailing list to make Emacs for Android with GUI. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/