From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: package for Email Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 13:26:30 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87a62fqcoe.fsf@johnhaman.org> <20230120040921.n2r2llvbry4li4g2@zoho.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36135"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.9+54 (af2080d) (2022-11-21) Cc: John Haman , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Milan Glacier Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 20 13:50:19 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pIqqY-0009D0-VJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 13:50:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pIqpv-0002fP-4B; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 07:49:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pIqpK-0002Sk-Pu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 07:49:28 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pIqpI-00042P-PC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 07:49:02 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.239.15.2]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000010394C.0000000063CA8DBF.00004012; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 05:49:02 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Milan Glacier , John Haman , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20230120040921.n2r2llvbry4li4g2@zoho.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:142454 Archived-At: * Milan Glacier [2023-01-20 07:11]: > On 01/19/23 01:08, John Haman wrote: > > > > I use Gnus, and like others have said, with some configuration, it is > > very nice. I use nnimap backend with fastmail accounts, and it is indeed > > fast. I like that I don't have to download all my email on every > > computer. And I like reading my mails, nntp, web feeds in one place. My > > gnus settings are more portable than my tbird settings. > > > > I don't recommend Gnus unless you have a lot of time to configure Emacs > > and don't do any business/HTML email. > > I think reading business email is okay for plain text based MUA. Definitely. Just that majority of businessmen on this world can't agree with me. First in business, we may get a lot of spam, and lot of tracking. Coincidentallyand due to lack of HTML in text based mail user agents, we are spared of tracking and surveillance. On the other hand, one percentage of businessmen do not have text e-mails, and thy arrive as HTML, we have to somehow read that. And speedy writing, parsing, searching, manipulating, bouncing, forwarding, it is all there and very useful. And yet, it is not objectively real to recommend such program to modern business people. The time to tell that it is useful is when it really can make some money out of that usefulness. > Usually business email has alternative plain text form which is > readable. And if you want to compose HTML email, you can write > orgmode emails and then converted it to HTML (this is done by > package: org-msg). Okay, I do understand. And Org mode allows easy writing, hyperlinks, images, tables and pretty easy conversions to HTML or other formats. And at this point I like to give you something for thinking: TECHNOLOGY TEMPLATE PROJECT OHS Framework : https://www.dougengelbart.org/content/view/110/460/ where it says: | From | To | |---------------------+-------------------------| | Tool-centric system | Document-centric system | Let's think of the workflow: ---------------------------- 1. Launch tool program (like Mutt, or any) 2. Find recipient's contact 3. Write document 4. Send it. 5. Realize after some time you may be writing same markup documents or same documents, or having repetition, like attaching files numerous times, and so on. How about this workflow: ------------------------ 1. Write document once and all attachments. 2. Relate person to document. 3. Press key, choose person, dispatch. In this way user does not really deal with e-mail program directly, only decides that some information shall be sent to specific people. E-mail is multi part by MIME standard. Instead of giving to user to put this picture, that audio, and presentation, and PDF file, e-mail introduction and cover letter, and letting user do all that work with e-mail and attachments, it is more useful to have document centric system where user prepares documents, and only decides to which people to send it, without bothing how to attach it, how to prepare e-mail, etc. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/