From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [External] : Re: How to make M-x TAB not work on (interactive) declaration? Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 06:38:47 +0100 Message-ID: References: <61c2cc81db661e2624771a06a1274eac.support1@rcdrun.com> <87y1qdct5m.fsf@gnu.org> <874jt0imh0.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TFoAffiRITdULd8J" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19950"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Rudolf =?utf-8?Q?Adamkovi=C4=8D?= To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 16 07:10:56 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pHIhr-0004xM-UB for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2023 07:10:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pHIhG-0004u9-DS; Mon, 16 Jan 2023 01:10:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pHIhD-0004si-VL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2023 01:10:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pHIhB-0000Mb-JG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Jan 2023 01:10:15 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=mail; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID: Subject:Cc:To:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=jXdAkfyp2DhnuJVimJ2njFcjfcAs8Ar34W3ur2lyVEw=; b=c6X9VgUgrBIZy812F85iPkAs2d VcMa+g7vfEhobFTIKsRpSCKJL1JNX2GszEsbfMAQxFnAwhHec2Jw1AAz1yi7ubUjj+2suG/7ZUkXl Fq3Tfg56lSGBJGK20c/dSOYcAM5BwlxozL6vESFh4qHXBo1syee8wKCBDXZkSrIDzTKX01ieN6CwA MViiTHAhsVy6yZ98R7BkZgaNu0si4do6faMgaqAAovYeT6gu5V7WSeZ1684XlgyBrY6SOAOoiDqdS L6wg4BkORTYs9J7ehZ4vKj6ABSnrZATr+Q5sc2B3tAOw+02+45d2Cr9yC/mc+5Z0ycbWJ4misyGUb SLlWVsoQ==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1pHICl-0005OY-R4; Mon, 16 Jan 2023 06:38:47 +0100 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=5.199.139.25; envelope-from=tomas@tuxteam.de; helo=mail.tuxteam.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:142262 Archived-At: --TFoAffiRITdULd8J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 12:08:33AM +0300, Jean Louis wrote: > * Rudolf Adamkovi=C4=8D [2023-01-15 23:27]: > > Jean Louis writes: > >=20 > > >> (+) =E2=9E=9C 0 > > > > > > Why? It is wrong. > >=20 > > In Lisp, the `+' operator returns the sum of the additive identity with= all of > > its arguments. The additive identity equals zero and you provided zero > > arguments. Hence, you get the additive identity. >=20 > Send me references on what is additive identity. Identity element [0] as defined in group theory [1]. The association of 0 with + and 1 with * runs deeper in maths than you think. > Though that it is so, it does not answer why is it so. Those are, of course, conventions. As whether the natural numbers begin with 0 or 1. But the above is, AFAIK, most widespread among mathematicians, wheter the latter is not. Cheers [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_element [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_theory --=20 t --TFoAffiRITdULd8J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EABECAB0WIQRp53liolZD6iXhAoIFyCz1etHaRgUCY8Ti4QAKCRAFyCz1etHa RhIVAJ0VE5nTJZvaslW5cqtFlvbgHaIgPQCcCdP9syIsJySiaLx/OZKJWzUGxwg= =g0gz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TFoAffiRITdULd8J--