From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Re- text formating Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2023 13:00:51 +0300 Message-ID: References: <82d4febc-c8f9-06be-e2a8-c3967fb70a2e@posteo.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37337"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.9+54 (af2080d) (2022-11-21) Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" , incal@dataswamp.org To: Gottfried Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 07 11:02:37 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pPKo9-0009ZN-3D for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2023 11:02:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pPKnX-0006ZH-Qf; Tue, 07 Feb 2023 05:02:00 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pPKn0-0006Rm-TI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2023 05:01:33 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pPKmy-0001EQ-8R for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2023 05:01:26 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:102.87.18.138]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000103A06.0000000063E22175.000056FF; Tue, 07 Feb 2023 03:01:24 -0700 Mail-Followup-To: Gottfried , "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" , incal@dataswamp.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <82d4febc-c8f9-06be-e2a8-c3967fb70a2e@posteo.de> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:142630 Archived-At: * Gottfried [2023-02-05 20:22]: > I, as an Emacs layman, would suggest: > > If somebody see’s it as a task, can work on it, or can at least add > thoughts, and together the fight of an uphill battle will be easier. > > You, who are masters in Emacs > and know everything/almost everything, > > can create a major mode > > e.g. to take the "enriched mode" > give it an other name > and add features, one after the other > take away features which don't fit > > and create a WYSIWYG mode/word processor. Thanks, that is really good notion, and it is possible to get something similar to word processor. It would require to synchronize printed output to visible buffers. Personally, word processor feature in Emacs I would use only for simple letters or simple documents. I already do that and it is pleasant to forget about markups, and only use simple text, create letters, corporate resolutions, agreements and contracts with simple text. And then I use rcd-paps.el library to print it. As Unicode and smilies are solved in that library, all printing is simply alright and perfect. No thinking. In similar way, word processor features I would not use for complex documents. Well known word processor software are not suitable for document preparation and typesetting like TeX, LaTeX and akin are. When you wish to make a presentation, or few letters document, it is fine with word processor. But what I can do in LaTeX is way more expressive. > Would it not be the time to create also a "word-processor-mode" in > Emacs, which doesn’t need to be like other word processors with all > kinds of possibilities, but simply to have the basics of a word > processor in Emacs, Yes. And no. > so you have all the advantages of Emacs and additionally for some > people a mode, which has certain possibilities of text manipulation. Yes, for some people. And one also has to consider that majority of people using Emacs already know how to produce beautiful, structured and professional documents by using Emacs without using word processor. Many are way beyond word processor, as word processor cannot satisfy needs of that group of people. My needs it doesn't satisfy. I also do not see why should I be wasting time with positioning of the letter left or right, multiple spaces in word processor are not logical, but with mistake my document will look weird. With LaTeX or Asciidoctor, computer is the one taking care of it for me. It minimizes human errors. > That, as I said, are the thoughts of an Emacs layman, because I just > started two month ago to get to know Emac, but am confronted with > too little word-processing possibilities. Feel free to tel me which specific function you need. Then I may point to how to do it. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/