From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: let, let*, oh, why [was: Elisp - Function returning a list] Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 20:42:16 +0300 Message-ID: References: <87k0ti9ygy.fsf@zoho.eu> <87czza8g37.fsf@zoho.eu> <20201216115242.GB11162@tuxteam.de> <87sg85u9dq.fsf@zoho.eu> <87o8ir196q.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24494"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 18 18:47:42 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kqJqu-0006GZ-Ty for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2020 18:47:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45696 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kqJqt-0005Al-Vk for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2020 12:47:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39244) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kqJpq-0005A5-7w for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2020 12:46:34 -0500 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:44405) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kqJpo-0003zk-3E for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2020 12:46:33 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.37]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000001E537.000000005FDCEAD5.000029A2; Fri, 18 Dec 2020 10:45:57 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87o8ir196q.fsf@zoho.eu> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:126513 Archived-At: * Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor [2020-12-18 17:28]: > Well, it is intuitive to use let instead of creating global > variables outside of the function. Isn't it? Well, to me it > is. lexical-scope is intuitive in that it makes the most sense > and is what you are used to from other languages, yeah, Lisp > wasn't my first language. I think Basic, then C? I did learn BASIC, then assembler, then machine language directly on 65C02 processor. Then we got LOGO and I learned it and it was interesting. Years later I came to LISP and I find it is almost same as LOGO, that is where I found familiarity. As we were not exposed to free software and only to proprietary software I did not have opportunity to access or learn other languages. All the marketing was about proprietary software. Many years I lost without liberties.