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From: goncholden <goncholden@protonmail.com>
To: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>, "rms@gnu.org" <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Spaces rather than tabs by a major mode hook
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2022 20:41:07 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <VzmSJHBqFTFTdWB8JqyDlMUPhzGkjrL-4F7QqU6KsJS9XS7VIxpCJ9IFHRchEiUh0aINGHHO3JFlAcf2c9xt4QJeP6cm696N8-q4FzbywFE=@protonmail.com> (raw)
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------- Original Message -------
On Monday, June 13th, 2022 at 5:10 AM, Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> wrote:


> * goncholden goncholden@protonmail.com [2022-06-11 23:04]:
>
> > No, because there are thousands of files. That was just an example
> > to show how emacs takes over the file, disallowing tabs and certain
> > formatting because it assumes that fortran files have a single
> > style. Not true.
>
>
> I understand that issue.
>
> > That would destroy the possibilities of easily detecting code
> > changes. Only want emacs to recognise that one cannot impose a
> > style on legacy code. It should be able to go along with no style.
>
>
> How I understand it, you speak of turning off indentation.

There is a terrible design flaw in emacs recommending not to turn off indentation.  The wiki insists to really not do it, because one would have to turn off a lot of "electric-foo" commands (such as automatic newlines and indentation after {, ;, etc.

Emacs failed to keep track of the uncoordinated electric functionality introduced.  Ending up with no sane way of disabling them.  The insistence is then an admittance of a design flaw making it difficult for users to revert them back without missing anything.

Disabling automatic indentation completely must be a single command operation, with Emacs tracking what electric indentation functionality is enabled automatically, and disable them without putting such burdens on the user.  Emacs has ended up with an artificial intelligence machine that takes control away from the human being, if our intelligence cannot figure out a quick and direct way to turn off its plug.


> Here are some resources for settings:
>
> EmacsWiki: Turn All Indenting Off
> https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/TurnAllIndentingOff
>
> clipboard - Completely disable all auto-indentation - Emacs Stack Exchange
> https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/14297/completely-disable-all-auto-indentation
>
> --
> Jean
>
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> https://www.fsf.org/campaigns
>
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-06-12 20:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-09 13:58 Spaces rather than tabs by a major mode hook goncholden via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-06-09 15:12 ` Yuri Khan
2022-06-09 15:30   ` goncholden
2022-06-09 15:46     ` Yuri Khan
2022-06-09 16:08       ` goncholden
2022-06-09 16:34         ` Yuri Khan
2022-06-10 23:17           ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-11  0:05             ` goncholden
2022-06-11  7:35               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-09 18:13     ` goncholden
2022-06-09 19:15       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-09 19:16       ` Drew Adams
2022-06-09 19:24       ` Tassilo Horn
2022-06-09 19:40         ` goncholden
2022-06-09 19:54           ` Tassilo Horn
2022-06-10  5:39             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-10  5:46               ` goncholden
2022-06-10  6:08                 ` Po Lu
2022-06-10  6:11                   ` goncholden
2022-06-10  6:31                   ` tomas
2022-06-10  6:41                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-10  7:42                   ` goncholden
2022-06-10  7:50                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-10  8:31                       ` goncholden
2022-06-10 10:49                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-10 18:10                           ` goncholden
2022-06-10 19:33                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-10 19:40                               ` goncholden
2022-06-10 19:44                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-10 19:52                                   ` goncholden
2022-06-10 19:56                                     ` goncholden
2022-06-11  7:20                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-11  7:30                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-11  7:57                                           ` tomas
2022-06-11  8:26                                             ` goncholden
2022-06-11 15:35                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-11  7:19                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-11  8:17                                       ` goncholden
2022-06-11  8:40                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-11  8:57                                           ` goncholden
2022-06-11 10:10                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-11 10:20                                               ` goncholden
2022-06-11 10:33                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-11 11:15                                                   ` goncholden
2022-06-11 11:50                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-11 20:02                                                       ` goncholden
2022-06-12  2:24                                                         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-12  3:16                                                           ` goncholden
2022-06-12  6:06                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-12  6:40                                                               ` goncholden
2022-06-12  7:02                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-12  7:49                                                                   ` goncholden
2022-06-12  8:06                                                                     ` Po Lu
2022-06-12  8:35                                                                       ` goncholden
2022-06-12  6:40                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-12  7:29                                                           ` goncholden
2022-06-12  6:53                                                         ` Po Lu
2022-06-12  7:06                                                           ` goncholden
2022-06-12  7:18                                                             ` Po Lu
2022-06-12  7:54                                                               ` goncholden
2022-06-12 18:13                                                             ` Netiquette is way to go Jean Louis
2022-06-12 23:25                                                               ` goncholden
2022-06-13  4:53                                                                 ` Jean Louis
2022-06-13  6:25                                                                   ` goncholden
2022-06-13  6:26                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-13  7:17                                                                 ` Po Lu
2022-06-13  7:41                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-13  7:43                                                                   ` Jean Louis
2022-06-13  9:18                                                                     ` goncholden
2022-06-13  9:29                                                                       ` Po Lu
2022-06-13 10:39                                                                         ` goncholden
2022-06-13 11:48                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-13 13:17                                                                         ` goncholden
2022-06-13 21:05                                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-14  4:43                                                                           ` tomas
2022-06-14 10:08                                                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-13 15:42                                                                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-12  7:13                                                           ` Spaces rather than tabs by a major mode hook Po Lu
2022-06-12  7:29                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-12  8:29                                                               ` goncholden
2022-06-12  8:36                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-12  9:14                                                                   ` goncholden
2022-06-12  8:45                                                                 ` Po Lu
2022-06-12  9:02                                                                   ` goncholden
2022-06-12 18:21                                                               ` Jean Louis
2022-06-12 23:29                                                                 ` goncholden
2022-06-13  3:03                                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-13  5:39                                                                   ` Jean Louis
2022-06-13  6:24                                                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-13  6:33                                                                     ` goncholden
2022-06-13 15:17                                                                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-12 17:10                                                         ` Jean Louis
2022-06-12 20:18                                                           ` goncholden
2022-06-12 20:41                                                           ` goncholden [this message]
2022-06-12 22:42                                                             ` Jean Louis
2022-06-13  6:18                                                               ` goncholden
2022-06-13  6:18                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-13 15:17                                                               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-13 11:55                                                         ` Andreas Röhler
2022-06-13 12:12                                                           ` goncholden
2022-06-11 10:39                                                 ` goncholden
2022-06-11 21:00                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-06-11 21:17                                                     ` goncholden
2022-06-11 21:36                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-06-11 21:56                                                         ` goncholden
2022-06-12  0:07                                                           ` goncholden
2022-06-12  0:19                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-06-12  0:35                                                               ` goncholden
2022-06-12  1:05                                                                 ` goncholden
2022-06-11  4:58             ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-11 14:53               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-06-11 15:39                 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-06-10 23:03   ` Emanuel Berg

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