From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Remove auctex from emacs Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 22:36:58 +0000 Message-ID: References: <878rmp6p1a.fsf@mbork.pl> <874jxc7pok.fsf@mbork.pl> <4JPfgfaJhGMNu0GVKlbgdOaYJmX8Cih8WZ6iYJkX-3JCK8QGot58RCyu8yWxajlfxWmXdRuWDy01mv6LkV9TY-Ms4RS_I6-ZvMjJta4_Ss8=@proton.me> <87edw75lq9.fsf@mbork.pl> <87czbq57sz.fsf@mbork.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7036"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: uzibalqa via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 21 02:53:12 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oanzD-0001bC-J2 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 02:53:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45670 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oanzC-0000YP-FC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 20:53:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38376) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oalrd-0005Nv-JB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 18:37:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-40135.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.135]:37761) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oalrZ-0007zh-2z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 18:37:12 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=gyfnkvxxazgzpmv4ejkio3klli.protonmail; t=1663713424; x=1663972624; bh=+t4tvV9nuj1aKYhXt4XI5nZNFCMLcT/+gpgRDHhtaAs=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID; b=mfbCgmYJh0jt1u4X7qepDVHvaWp9J8Bezw3D0lBkkgI7+dxj85bx6i17pg/FVrYEI jy/3dFs2UKmatMPc3rloyrrWyGe+tnYY3DbdG9qSl6sv7/DXf5aAcy6MI56dEsaCDV OZ2crpfCgmvESaE5+7lqGcIAFpAqW+npk0IGL73wgSRiP486sNsaXFBspEJEktp8np K+tW6LWNGj1C4K39JgI4DzWZwI4hAKdRadGY6YaPA7YRrSzBl/cgvAcLBeJqY7vT/U 8t3FNgjXrpvZRokXhp+jVGhKT9yOnmSdN69Wkd7GMPEuPSeJaRzeJ/Layl9SQ8XDCa bVGPd6VQNC9LQ== In-Reply-To: <87czbq57sz.fsf@mbork.pl> Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.40.135; envelope-from=uzibalqa@proton.me; helo=mail-40135.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:139591 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Tuesday, September 20th, 2022 at 4:29 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > On 2022-09-19, at 19:35, uzibalqa uzibalqa@proton.me wrote: >=20 > > > > > Not sure what do you mean. Worked for me for well over a decade. > >=20 > > > > > I assume it might bother you that it doesn't seem to have an entr= y in > > > > > `auto-mode-alist' =E2=80=93 but that makes sense given that the s= ame file name pattern ("\\\\\\\\.tex$") > > > > > corresponds to several modes (plain TeX/LaTeX/ConTeXt/possible ot= hers, like AMSTeX). > >=20 > > Correct, that it disregards `auto-mode-alist'. > >=20 > > > > > You could argue that there should be one major AUCTeX mode and pl= ain TeX/LaTeX/etc. minor > > > > > modes =E2=80=93 > >=20 > > As there can be many modes, one mode should not take over any other mod= e. >=20 >=20 > I didn't understand this. >=20 > > > > > but it is what it is, and I guess it's way too late to change tha= t. > >=20 > > This is where we disagree. There is never a time to say it is too late = to change. > > When it is time to change, the change should be made to happen. =20 > Well, it is probably a major overhaul of the whole codebase. Which > means you need substantial effort for little gain (in the sense that > most users - or so I think - are satisfied with the current approach). > Such major changes are much easier when the codebase is young, hence my > "too late" comment. =20 Have seen that some things have started to happen. Some possibilities for organisation without a full blown major overhaul. But which could=20 see some breakages.=20 > Perhaps if you make a compelling argument for such a change on the > AUCTeX mailing list, possibly volunteering to help with that effort, you > might succeed. Personally, I think that the time would be better spent > elsewhere, but this may be because I didn't think about this issue > deeply enough and cannot see too many disadvantages of the status quo. > Change my mind! ;-) There exists the intention to work on things. But was looking forward to= =20 some focused adjustments from others who would be aware of the details and what would be considered reasonable to clean up.