From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Heime Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Making new files Date: Sat, 04 May 2024 16:08:40 +0000 Message-ID: References: <86jzkagfgd.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16889"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 04 18:09:55 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1s3HxT-00046h-30 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 04 May 2024 18:09:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s3HwW-0007oO-RL; Sat, 04 May 2024 12:08:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s3HwT-0007o1-3D for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2024 12:08:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4319.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.19]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1s3HwP-0002kd-Rv; Sat, 04 May 2024 12:08:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1714838925; x=1715098125; bh=KZnkTSFDs0QwivKNd03x5NF/kbJ7L2Nglz0Sje64gAU=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=ja2Nmt4fRfokYB4R2dc82UMD+7AzWMdZfSl3lwJ6oNpcHKQ9TMFOPBxqIlAqTBhgz Q36zb1rlA4CHJn5yMGdPvNBN3CqeEQlhh6bIQa6g4a++QtxG7jOrQMaZwMSWTZfr9e ZQnBGcAT2d8pzer4H/k8UK6Ik7QFw77uDm2To8GRXIvmcLPDzLKHCyPaytZxon+qzL fLly2exfmz6hCuJHJoGXsBoihd9s3zjxsuhanM6FFyYE0FnFKDxG7zBSEwMDPrIWAq BV/pSry0luzCc28jZniAFBT4hgR5MZLl85+6ulZjNOb3/rVN9wFf0lCVic9wocAZni uUU4clh5fysNA== In-Reply-To: <86jzkagfgd.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 57735886:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: 10c66a6823f67eba661b18eab325d39f758f4c41 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.43.19; envelope-from=heimeborgia@protonmail.com; helo=mail-4319.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:146536 Archived-At: Sent with Proton Mail secure email. On Saturday, May 4th, 2024 at 8:16 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Yuri Khan yuri.v.khan@gmail.com > > Date: Sat, 4 May 2024 14:41:50 +0700 > > Cc: Heime heimeborgia@protonmail.com, > > Heime via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor help-gnu-emacs@gnu.o= rg > >=20 > > On Sat, 4 May 2024 at 07:16, Po Lu luangruo@yahoo.com wrote: > >=20 > > > > I always struggle in emacs because there is no way to make a new fi= le > > > > from the "File" menu. Can "New File" be added please. > > >=20 > > > "Visit New File." > >=20 > > That=E2=80=99s not exactly what Users New To Emacs=E2=84=A2 expect from= a File =E2=86=92 New command. >=20 >=20 > But that's what we decided to have instead of "File->New". There were >=20 > a lot of discussions about it quite a few years ago, and we ended up > implementing that, for reasons that you can find in the discussion > (there's more here than meets the eye, as usually with Emacs). >=20 > So we are not going to change that any time soon. The "New" in "Visit > New File" should tell the user this is what they want, and the > help-echo tooltip should help some more. >=20 > > The standard behavior of File =E2=86=92 New is to create a blank buffer= , no > > questions asked. The decision as to the name and location of the file > > is deferred to the first explicit save. Emacs, on the other hand, asks > > for the name up front. >=20 >=20 > Emacs is not like "other apps" out there, it has its own logic and > paradigms, which are usually well-thought. Users of Emacs should > realize the value of the Emacs behavior (for example, the fact that in > this case Emacs automatically choses the correct modes for the new > file), and appreciate it, rather than look for the inferior behavior > characteristic of "other apps". That's what your stupid minds decided. One does "Visit New File", to get "Find File" to show up in the "Title Bar". Find file on something=20 that does not exist. "Visiting something that does not exist" !!! I suggest going back to school and relearn the englrish language properly. "Make New File", not "Visit New File" or any other nonsense you decided. You are creating confusion for benefits of convenience. People do not=20 work like that. Confusion brings more confusion and more confusion. One can get fundamental mode, and a user can change it. Or reload the=20 file and get the mode chosen automatically.