From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Barry Margolin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Oldest running Emacs version Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 23:08:35 GMT Organization: Genuity Managed Services, Woburn, MA Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052176223 23200 80.91.224.249 (5 May 2003 23:10:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 23:10:23 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 06 01:10:11 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19Cp63-00061G-00 for ; Tue, 06 May 2003 01:10:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19Cp6K-0007iP-02 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 May 2003 19:10:28 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news.compaq.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!mtvwca1-snh1.ops.genuity.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Mail-Copies-To: never X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) Originator: barmar@genuity.net (Barry Margolin) Original-Lines: 32 Original-X-Trace: /bQNuY38vK5fs5wz3JV6rsxqM86OUxmrqjnkGw0AXcXfQcSx97PmUwDkyfGC6I/VgDqW4jonhWcp!8H/+T6tqAXLh1Y1j0bmgWzY/z7t5iueiZIJ/ZMpsym9Mb34DtOVZUsPsHffAA+iC3uDwoDm334Zu!uxAV4+AMCBSpRQ== Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 23:08:35 GMT Original-Distribution: world Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:112818 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:9313 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:9313 In article , Niels Freimann wrote: >On Monday 05 May 2003 21:53, Barry Margolin wrote: >> ITS/TOPS-20 EMACS is customized in TECO, not Lisp > >I already mentioned that in my first message. *emacs* isn't >ITS/TOPS-20 emacs, but Bernies Multics emacs, and the >machine with the *running its" in real is a PC or something >running an pdp-10 emulator. Since Multics Emacs ran on Multics, and was never ported to any other OS, I really doubt that this is what you're seeing. It's almost certainly ITS EMACS, which runs on PDP-10/20 machines running ITS or TOPS-20. ITS EMACS is the grand-daddy of all Emacs and Emacs-like editors. They all share the same basic commands (e.g. the ones you learn in the tutorial), as well as the overall UI philosophy (buffers, major and minor modes, etc.), but diverge when you start looking at the less commonly used features (like they all have Dired, but differ in the commands that are available within it). This is mostly just due to normal evolutionary processes. Development of ITS EMACS and Multics Emacs stopped in the early 80's. GNU Emacs was born around that time, with most of the features that the predecessors had, and has since had hundreds of developers adding things to it. Throughout all of this it has still retained much of the core; a time traveler coming from 1980 would have little difficulty using GNU Emacs. -- Barry Margolin, barry.margolin@level3.com Genuity Managed Services, a Level(3) Company, Woburn, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group.