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What does it say > > for syntax? >=20 > One EASY way of solving this would be that everyone just used > the Lisp syntax ... Solving what? If you think you see a bug, then `M-x report-emacs-bug'. (I don't see any bug.) Different contexts, whether programming language or anything else, are free to define different syntax. It's up to any given context to come up with appropriate behavior for moving over various syntactic thingies there, whether words, sexps, sentences, whatever. A comma in Lisp isn't the same as a comma in JavaScript... Vive la diff=E9rence !