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envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=mx0b-00069f02.pphosted.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:139942 Archived-At: > > That was in the 70's. Who are the equivalent people today? >=20 > One can never answer where the "equivalent people" are in > a meaningful way. One cannot compare between fields and one > cannot compare one decade to another - well, this makes for > fun magazine articles perhaps, but it's just bogus if one > looks for a real answer in it. So don't do that! >=20 > That said, I think it's safe to say today's people are as good > or better in terms of technology: "development has gone > forward" as the tautology goes ... >=20 > But: was this more easy, or more difficult to do? Did it > require less, or more brilliance? Those questions do not > compute ... >=20 > Also note that the "70s people", if active still, are also as > much "today's people" as any 20 year old! >=20 > The first programmer in the world was probably some shaman in > a cave. He would cut symbol's out of the stone wall, then > inhale toxic fumes from the fireplace, and eat mushrooms he > had carefully collected in the wood. Then he would stare on > the inscriptions on the wall until he collapsed of mental and > physical fatigue - the program had then executed in his head, > and when he awoke with a big grin on his face he would have > found the answer to his question ... >=20 > Now, if you would grab him from the stone age to OUR age and > say, "Yes, uhm ... so today we don't use the cave wall > anymore, and not the fire either actually! Instead we have an > editor and a compiler, here, take a look ..." probably he > would just say, " ... okay!" and the next time you'd see him > he would stare into the monitor in deep thought writing > code ... All good. But you left out the id of that cave-shaman head-programmer: Zippy (also the immortal antecedent who discovered the non sequitur and domesticated the Doggy Diner). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zippy_the_Pinhead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggie_Diner https://v7.comicskingdom.net/comics/zippy-the-pinhead/2022-09-19/?widgetId= =3D570 http://doggiediner.com/pages/zippy_00.html