> > > So why bother users in the manual why that is never actually used. > > > (menu-item item-name real-binding item-property-list) > > > > I hope you meant this, which is not the same thing: > > (menu-item item-name real-binding > > . item-property-list) > > > > item-property-list is not an element of the > > overall list. It's "spliced" into that list, > > as its tail. > > Actual code implementations using menu-item does not include > '.' before 'item-property-list'. > (menu-item item-name real-binding . item-property-list) Look again. item-property-list must be a list. That list is _not_ included as an element in the list that starts (menu-item.... Instead, the _elements_ of item-property-list are included as elements of list (menu-item.... That's apparently what you're not getting. Example: '(menu-item "Load" diredp-load-this-file :help "Load this Elisp file") item-name is "Load". real-binding is diredp-load-this-file item-property-list is this 2-element list: (:help "Load this Elisp file") You do _not_ see this: '(menu-item "Load" diredp-load-this-file (:help "Load this Emacs Lisp file")) ^ ^ which is equal to this: '(menu-item "Load" diredp-load-this-file . ((:help "Load this Emacs Lisp file"))) ^ ^ ^ What you do see is equal to this: '(menu-item "Load" diredp-load-this-file . (:help "Load this Emacs Lisp file")) Now ask yourself _why_ the syntax spec shows a dot before item-property-list. If you still don't get it, take a break, stand on your head for a few minutes, run around the block, then study this again... till you do. When you finally get it, go look at the Emacs documentation that introduces lists and their notation. You'll find it very clear, I think. All of this is explained. And yes, you should read the basics, such as notation, _before_ you start trying to interpret the _use_ of such notation in the doc. E.g., before you try to interpret the presentation of the syntax of extended menu items, learn about Lisp dot notation. And as has also been said, this isn't just a doc notational convention. It's in fact the actual, effective, real-life Lisp list syntax. Crawl, then walk, before trying to run. That way, you'll find that running isn't so difficult, mysterious, confusing, scary, or user-unfriendly. And that way maybe you'll stop kvetching that you're "drowning" and that folks need to quickly line up and start saving you. Don't presume that those trying to help you don't get it. You're not the first person to learn Lisp, and you're not the first one that people here, and Emacs itself, has helped. And maybe read this - it might be humbling. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect