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I see this a lot with Emacs users > > as of late, where they pick some version of > > Emacs that has not seen development in years > > (or even decades) and stick to it, because > > we break too much. >=20 > FTR, in this particular case, our requests that > Drew helps us debug the problem which caused him > stick to 26.3 were met with refusal. That is _absolutely_ untrue. A completely unfair characterization. I provided the info I could, with the time and know-how I have available. Trying to track down the problem in more detail is beyond me, as I've explained. I never once complained that someone else needs to do something to investigate the problem. It's my problem. Never said otherwise. I don't know what Emacs changes led to the problems. I'm not expecting Emacs development to cater to my setup. Never have. I can't make good use of Emacs after release 26, but I don't expect that to change. I use Emacs 26 and earlier, and unless something unexpectedly fixes the problems I have with later releases I'll no doubt continue to use 26. It's not the end of the world, for me at least. I'm a happy camper (even though I'd prefer to benefit from the good that's been done in later releases). I haven't complained that Emacs hasn't fixed what got broken. I've only reported the problems (what little I can). I've anyway held out a glimmer of hope (without any expectation) that, whether by accident or by discovery (e.g. someone else having such problems at some point, and able to provide a reproducible recipe), some fixes might just happen - that's happened in the past (in particular wrt frame / window / minibuffer problems). I'm not waiting for that. I can use Emacs 26 with my full setup. That works for me. And I of course test my libraries with more recent releases, for the benefit of other users. It's only with my standalone minibuffer frame that I experience the minibuffer focus-change problems. I don't know of any problems with my libraries. (And yes, I prefer Emacs 26 with my standalone minibuffer to later releases without it.) > No one else reported or experienced those problems, I never claimed otherwise. Although I believe that Stefan Monnier (cc'd) has also indicated, more than once, that he has/had some similar problems wrt minibuffer frame focus. I believe he said the problems he experience[ds] started with Emacs 26. (I can use 26 OK, generally.) Both he and I use a standalone minibuffer frame. To be clear, I don't/can't speak for Stefan, and I don't believe he's given any more info about his problems in this regard. But I think he did chime in a few times to say that he experience[ds] similar focus problems. He'll correct me if I'm mistaken. > so without Drew's help we cannot make any progress. I never claimed or expected otherwise. I've moved on. I have a life to live. ;-) > This is all in the archives of the bug tracker. And I invite anyone interested to dig it all out of there. I don't recall the bug (or emacs-devel) threads, but perhaps you'll point folks to them, instead of just insinuating things? For some reason Eli, you never miss an opportunity to attack me personally. Too bad. Hope it does you some good, somehow. Beyond that, I hope, for your sake, you get past that need someday.