Help w/ nnimap-split-methods ?

Help w/ nnimap-split-methods ?

[David Masterson]

I'm a couple of Emacs mailing lists using Gnus off of outlook.com using
IMAP.  It seems to work except that I still wind up with some Junk as
not all the mail messages are parsed by nnimap-split-methods.  My
variable setting is:

(setq nnimap-split-methods
      '(
	("mail.orgmode" "^\\(To:\\|Cc:\\).*emacs-orgmode@gnu.org.*$")
	("mail.emacs" "^\\(To:\\|Cc:\\).*help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org.*$")
	("mail.devel" "^\\(To:\\|Cc:\\).*emacs-devel@gnu.org.*$")
	("mail.misc" "")
	)
      )

With this setting, I have a few questions:
1. I still get Junk email, but I thought the above would put junk in
mail.misc.  Why is the Junk folder being created/used?
2. Some, but not all, messages that should be parsed by the regexps and
put into appropriate mail folders, but wind up in Junk.  Why?
3. Once in awhile, things do show up in mail.misc instead of Junk.  Does
that make sense?

-- 
David Masterson

Re: Help w/ nnimap-split-methods ?

[Pankaj Jangid]

David Masterson <dsmasterson92630@outlook.com> writes:

> (setq nnimap-split-methods
>       '(
> 	("mail.orgmode" "^\\(To:\\|Cc:\\).*emacs-orgmode@gnu.org.*$")
> 	("mail.emacs" "^\\(To:\\|Cc:\\).*help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org.*$")
> 	("mail.devel" "^\\(To:\\|Cc:\\).*emacs-devel@gnu.org.*$")
> 	("mail.misc" "")
> 	)
>       )
>
> With this setting, I have a few questions:
> 1. I still get Junk email, but I thought the above would put junk in
> mail.misc.  Why is the Junk folder being created/used?
> 2. Some, but not all, messages that should be parsed by the regexps and
> put into appropriate mail folders, but wind up in Junk.  Why?
> 3. Once in awhile, things do show up in mail.misc instead of Junk.  Does
> that make sense?

1. Since you are using IMAP, some of the groups (folders) that you see
   are coming from the server. Junk is probably one such folder on your
   outlook.com account. This is created by the server.

2. Those messages which are marked by outlook.com server as spam are
   going into Junk before reaching Gnus. Hence the split is /not/
   working for them.

3. Those messages which escape the outlook spam filter are going through
   your split chain and ending up in mail.misc.

Re: Help w/ nnimap-split-methods ?

[Eric S Fraga]

On Wednesday, 25 Nov 2020 at 13:30, Pankaj Jangid wrote:
> 1. Since you are using IMAP, some of the groups (folders) that you see
>    are coming from the server. Junk is probably one such folder on your
>    outlook.com account. This is created by the server.

Exactly this.  It happens to me as well.

One of my many annoyances with being stuck with Outlook is having to log
in directly to Outlook every now and again to see what magic (trying to
be nice here ;-)) it has done since the last time I looked.  I'm imagine
there might be some way of turning off Outlook's spam controls but I
haven't seen anything via the web interface (I don't have Windows).

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50 & org 9.4 on Debian bullseye/sid

Re: Help w/ nnimap-split-methods ?

[David Masterson]

Pankaj Jangid <pankaj@codeisgreat.org> writes:

> David Masterson <dsmasterson92630@outlook.com> writes:
>
>> (setq nnimap-split-methods
>>       '(
>> 	("mail.orgmode" "^\\(To:\\|Cc:\\).*emacs-orgmode@gnu.org.*$")
>> 	("mail.emacs" "^\\(To:\\|Cc:\\).*help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org.*$")
>> 	("mail.devel" "^\\(To:\\|Cc:\\).*emacs-devel@gnu.org.*$")
>> 	("mail.misc" "")
>> 	)
>>       )
>>
>> With this setting, I have a few questions:
>> 1. I still get Junk email, but I thought the above would put junk in
>> mail.misc.  Why is the Junk folder being created/used?
>> 2. Some, but not all, messages that should be parsed by the regexps and
>> put into appropriate mail folders, but wind up in Junk.  Why?
>> 3. Once in awhile, things do show up in mail.misc instead of Junk.  Does
>> that make sense?
>
> 1. Since you are using IMAP, some of the groups (folders) that you see
>    are coming from the server. Junk is probably one such folder on your
>    outlook.com account. This is created by the server.
>
> 2. Those messages which are marked by outlook.com server as spam are
>    going into Junk before reaching Gnus. Hence the split is /not/
>    working for them.
>
> 3. Those messages which escape the outlook spam filter are going through
>    your split chain and ending up in mail.misc.

Hmm. This makes sense. Can I set the Junk folder as another Inbox and,
thus, run it through nnimap-split-methods as well??

-- 
David Masterson

Re: Help w/ nnimap-split-methods ?

[Pankaj Jangid]

David Masterson <dsmasterson92630@outlook.com> writes:

>> 1. Since you are using IMAP, some of the groups (folders) that you see
>>    are coming from the server. Junk is probably one such folder on your
>>    outlook.com account. This is created by the server.
>>
>> 2. Those messages which are marked by outlook.com server as spam are
>>    going into Junk before reaching Gnus. Hence the split is /not/
>>    working for them.
>>
>> 3. Those messages which escape the outlook spam filter are going through
>>    your split chain and ending up in mail.misc.
>
> Hmm. This makes sense. Can I set the Junk folder as another Inbox and,
> thus, run it through nnimap-split-methods as well??

Yes. This should be possible. Gnus doesn't differentiate between groups
i.e. folders.