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envelope-from=outlook_98C99531806B1C22@outlook.com; helo=NAM10-MW2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: 6 X-Spam_score: 0.6 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:142494 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: David Masterson >> Cc: Gottfried , "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" >> >> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 22:04:08 -0800 >> >> 2. Free Software >> >> While RMS' goal may have been laudable, many (most) programmers could >> not see how to monetize their work in a free software environment and, >> so, went where the money was more plentiful. Without the investment of >> big bucks that copyrighted software could command, development of Emacs >> in the 90s slowed to a crawl and depended on the programmer "with an >> itch". > > The "slowed to a crawl" part doesn't match the facts: the rate of > commits in the 90s doesn't fall below that of 2000s or 2010s. In > particular, addition of GUI X frames and m18n (a.k.a. "MULE") to Emacs > belong to the 90s: hardly a non-development. And the development of > the current display engine started in 1998 and ended in 2000, so > technically also a "90s" feature. Not bad for "capital-deprived" > project! You're right. That was impertinent of me. While I used it in my work, I was not on the development of Emacs. Wasn't the display engine derived from Lucid Emacs? >> 5. Smartphones >> >> The iPhone is still not capable of supporting Emacs and I don't know how >> well Android could support Emacs. > > See the feature/android branch in the Emacs Git repository. Ooo 8) >> Even if they could support Emacs, Smartphones are GUI-intensive, so >> not really an environment for a text editor. > > Not true, at least not in such an absolute wording. Smartphones do > provide apps to edit text, and many people would like access to their > Org and TODO lists on the smartphone, let alone read email. True. BeOrg provides a bridge, but it's certainly not Emacs. The base of Emacs seems keyboard-driven and you're not going to do a lot of keyboarding on a smartphone (thus the GUI remark). > Bottom line: when you are trying to make a point, don't overdo it, and > always check against the actual facts. Good point -- David Masterson