From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: [External] : Re: Which Elisp types are mutable? Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 19:26:23 +0000 Message-ID: References: <87h7ifa932.fsf@mbork.pl> <0404DE66-DD17-41F2-B6CC-EC06937CD152@gmail.com> <874keca73x.fsf@mbork.pl> <70773EA8-6549-4C03-941C-FADAB1BE441A@gmail.com> <8735tw9l14.fsf@mbork.pl> <4AA1E624-B979-4B08-8AE0-E33A1C9A0E94@gmail.com> <834kd8ha0c.fsf@gnu.org> <20210705185503.GD6395@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20371"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" To: "tomas@tuxteam.de" , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 05 21:26:56 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m0UF6-00051a-AX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2021 21:26:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48066 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m0UF5-0006e1-51 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2021 15:26:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58070) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m0UEh-0006da-Cr for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2021 15:26:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mx0b-00069f02.pphosted.com ([205.220.177.32]:15818) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m0UEf-00082L-3E; Mon, 05 Jul 2021 15:26:30 -0400 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (m0246631.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0b-00069f02.pphosted.com (8.16.0.43/8.16.0.43) with SMTP id 165JAjcI023293; Mon, 5 Jul 2021 19:26:26 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=from : to : cc : subject : date : message-id : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding : mime-version; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=d6kNYzxyAbd+CtcKjXjJTaLU5VJGvEYWs0VTuYWJDe4=; b=PFQzSw/BeFvz5C/MgR5FDICo3mBUQHlsG1wRT+uCaZE1+kPLrBN71DA2oiILVg4YM8i/ j/6byy4+jkGfI3Feo/wikjlSu/BaGaBps8LPgNvpcQ0R9LQgKwn+JyUO0lCBzfWT5LKm 9GKdHJvyTMhNS8ZIcHVr0JguSsUBMZBhiDGi8ngNhbGsgVVnGw3SoArI2ubeq4VbQ3rO KBpeCU8AOzBbntMhDjgWiFrV/7TTcobiz08QlvFVIhVQ+TrwgzN+OGLboaq1nWbqHlHa WQ3APqaVIH0imgRY9SemFmdP417qDBDQC767TMHJqyewwLxjDLjcLj/GYZeoTZwdh20p Mg== Original-Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by mx0b-00069f02.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 39m2smgf0x-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 05 Jul 2021 19:26:26 +0000 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 165JAP5H122008; Mon, 5 Jul 2021 19:26:25 GMT Original-Received: from nam04-bn8-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn8nam08lp2048.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.74.48]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 39k1ntsmru-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 05 Jul 2021 19:26:25 +0000 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=cMytNbaExvvtJ4rsNrYlOMaQjXXC0YlbnF9cwoey1d0GioybKVsMkSshddLzHAs9X7hIG/I4cT/kjPljcgjsS5lzy7fVPmxKAvPaWGsfI1oXmo9pr547VLoeiUgK1E8bs7dU3vrwE88y1GKRWtoiZXrfAjER1dY9j/OT2mMFKUZ3+jbys9ht3Y9h6j7SZvA8v+b3nvluxRT5WY3SEMKxCnhLTY4uKzE0JQEJ4XrPK7pzb9wXv1DbFsgvcKk6J9FBPQXR10j7YcSDZIdtf41wvZljKEHHIkjXjUnhq8eKQWCvfcOKSJEpYydNZ5ErnXnHrchLtW+drqCYMwnAbkc5Og== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=d6kNYzxyAbd+CtcKjXjJTaLU5VJGvEYWs0VTuYWJDe4=; b=gH9iDmI40BqiOj6OMDeH4Wd0M6gvVRCSvoaKHBxHSL2L5+FyK0GFWDT0y08uq6aGkmO/jUMzTmzMLc0H8I528yNOE6c0cYKU31g8YLaguZZBYtSubRj1ogAGXpGNonLiUyi7NAVhtC9fhjShPc1dr7IiYMjeRKcgTzT63dtc5/PYEqrwXYDBwn0ADrdC8gEUj/8Ymeu2xIe20+yaDJJU0P9O+OSaIdKIdAyWqNqnlu5C9DysAZRtuUaSr4qYZfBLqkMSu/+9E8fuYOdonIa4JAJwZL/fvSrGCLmMxrYz8lByUdPkr7RpXLimUvN1QwLcj0FmVc/8mB1XWYT56/6eSQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=oracle.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=oracle.com; dkim=pass header.d=oracle.com; arc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector2-oracle-onmicrosoft-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=d6kNYzxyAbd+CtcKjXjJTaLU5VJGvEYWs0VTuYWJDe4=; b=R5VVOAgrVie2Gq4QmjvTRFbn/Uwaeb1yL1i7z/bHsAkh/5Fei9PR3Ua9BBS/iYLSoAJAIXO5NUgqsSF451bD0QgDJCFb83GNdgYHToIRT/klihMeHY9I9TszSQZz9UcSEtXUP1TJQ+oUKqGgguDEQcbGRHRCQ/no4N3SUaKuCLA= Original-Received: from SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:806:11b::15) by SA2PR10MB4507.namprd10.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:806:119::22) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.4287.32; Mon, 5 Jul 2021 19:26:23 +0000 Original-Received: from SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::2d9c:ca1d:2bc0:c861]) by SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::2d9c:ca1d:2bc0:c861%4]) with mapi id 15.20.4287.033; Mon, 5 Jul 2021 19:26:23 +0000 Thread-Topic: [External] : Re: Which Elisp types are mutable? Thread-Index: AQHXcc+P0dion2rVQUi/e1RDU5EwIqs0wBJQ In-Reply-To: <20210705185503.GD6395@tuxteam.de> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US authentication-results: tuxteam.de; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;tuxteam.de; dmarc=none action=none header.from=oracle.com; x-originating-ip: [73.170.83.28] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 6169353e-e2dc-4f98-2fcd-08d93feac6c2 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: SA2PR10MB4507: x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:8882; x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 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 x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFS:(39860400002)(396003)(366004)(346002)(376002)(136003)(186003)(316002)(44832011)(83380400001)(478600001)(71200400001)(966005)(122000001)(38100700002)(26005)(66556008)(66446008)(110136005)(6506007)(8936002)(64756008)(52536014)(86362001)(2906002)(4744005)(5660300002)(55016002)(4326008)(33656002)(66476007)(8676002)(9686003)(76116006)(66946007)(7696005); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-chunkcount: 1 x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-0: =?utf-8?B?emxFRzVyZVIvWUNQMXh6TW5YTkE5KzloZmdKUG9EV3JBcmtxWGJSN0ZCMXl6?= =?utf-8?B?Z3c0YXBkL1Z3Mk9laFVtdzBwODE4TWl1UTNvdWwrVVV4REl2TjJabERiZzUv?= =?utf-8?B?dVRLWTI0K1FvbVJmeFJQOWd0R1lyYk9NU2pWdGZReEFOQnErVHg0NDdFb0N2?= =?utf-8?B?alV0VkphMEdHWG41TXA0anZEOFU2THhOd1k4N1BnL2xDb21rRjRTQlNCamlR?= =?utf-8?B?cnlSRUt6ZTVmNzJXYktCWDloUWFvZHBGaXk1TGR0azNpcjVnWlR3RmdJV1dl?= =?utf-8?B?NXM4dXBGSVJhOWdBT2QzS2IvUzA3YnNBUndnbWpzNnRFVnZLU1dUeHVWYlVG?= =?utf-8?B?V1Q2bzB3ZVQ0MDJvY2xaK3B3b0JCbHpaYUl3U0RxZFhITmNJZytpUGdSYkRV?= =?utf-8?B?ZFd5VWRRcmE5MGhSOXMzYlg0OFMxMXBaWG5wZ2NIcGhXN0hsT3ZsSlBKN2dh?= =?utf-8?B?MUNZdFl1bHpMOXNvTDZDNmZjb1hiclE1MCtFYWIrRk5VU1lEbXEra3RiUlF1?= =?utf-8?B?UzJmemQ3OHBiMWRzTEo3TG14Sm1QdjNjUkRyTDdGSlpkb0dRU1VLamt3ZXZO?= =?utf-8?B?aFRGKzhMTElMWWFuSFVyS3lDdFRGOThsNjZ6aE1nMDlaMDhQdWFNVTFXZDd0?= =?utf-8?B?a0IxeVFsRHNkN2tNRGpVaHNuTTI2WVZicmlUSD x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 6169353e-e2dc-4f98-2fcd-08d93feac6c2 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 05 Jul 2021 19:26:23.8212 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: xPXHyfXmvELaEoiMq5AAKXgCTnHYL6DNO7s5SlcbLZsgZoiYa18FWfB2pdze65Gx6J/Wv/fTKTDS82/JKklYOQ== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SA2PR10MB4507 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6200 definitions=10036 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=511 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2104190000 definitions=main-2107050103 X-Proofpoint-GUID: TktGOuPykOFCWnnJju9lCncft2fyQHFC X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: TktGOuPykOFCWnnJju9lCncft2fyQHFC Received-SPF: pass client-ip=205.220.177.32; envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=mx0b-00069f02.pphosted.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_BL=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_L3=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:131495 Archived-At: PiBJbiBFbWFjcyBMaXNwLCB0eXBpY2FsIGltbXV0YWJsZSBvYmplY3RzIGFyZSBzeW1ib2xzLCBr ZXl3b3JkcywgbnVtYmVycw0KDQpXZSd2ZSBiZWVuIGFyb3VuZCB0aGlzIGJsb2NrIGEgZmV3IHRp bWVzIGFscmVhZHksDQphbmQgSSBkb24ndCByZWFsbHkgd2FudCB0byBzdGlyIHRoZSBwb3QgaGVy ZS4NCg0KQnV0IEknbGwgbWVudGlvbiB0aGF0IGEgTGlzcCBzeW1ib2wgaXMgYSBraW5kIG9mDQpt dXRhYmxlICJvYmplY3QiLiAgSXQgaGFzIHZhcmlvdXMgcHJvcGVydGllcywgc29tZQ0Kb2Ygd2hp Y2ggYXJlIHByZWRlZmluZWQgKHdoZXRoZXIgb3Igbm90IHRoZXkgaGF2ZQ0Kbm9uLW5pbCB2YWx1 ZXMpIGFuZCBhbnkgbnVtYmVyIG9mIHdoaWNoIG90aGVycyBjYW4NCmJlIGNyZWF0ZWQuICBQcmVk ZWZpbmVkIHByb3BlcnRpZXMgaW5jbHVkZSB0aGUNCnN5bWJvbCBuYW1lLCB2YWx1ZSBhcyBhIHZh cmlhYmxlLCBhbmQgdmFsdWUgYXMgYQ0KZnVuY3Rpb24uDQoNCkFsbCBleGNlcHQgdGhlIHN5bWJv bCBuYW1lIGNhbiBiZSBjaGFuZ2VkLiAgSXMgYQ0Kc3ltYm9sIHNvbWV0aGluZyBpbW11dGFibGU/ ICBOb3QgSU1PLCBidXQgdGhlDQphbnN3ZXIgZGVwZW5kcyBvbiB3aGF0IG9uZSBtZWFucyBieSAi aW1tdXRhYmxlIi4NCg0KaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ251Lm9yZy9zb2Z0d2FyZS9lbWFjcy9tYW51YWwv aHRtbF9ub2RlL2VsaXNwL1N5bWJvbC1Db21wb25lbnRzLmh0bWwNCg0K