From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "tomas@tuxteam.de" <tomas@tuxteam.de>
Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: [External] : Re: Which Elisp types are mutable?
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 20:39:54 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <SA2PR10MB4474C338EC51B09FE2B67C46F31C9@SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210705201253.GF6395@tuxteam.de>
> Hm. If you change a variable's value... does that count
> as "mutating the symbol"? If you change the binding (e.g.
> by entering another scope or by leaving it)?
(Changing a symbol's binding, with `let' etc.
is more complicated. I mentioned global value.)
If you look at a Lisp symbol as being an object
with properties, then yes; changing its variable
value changes the object - its mutable state.
There's nothing very special involved here. It's
just that people unused to Lisp won't necessarily
think that a symbol is a complex thing, and that
it "owns" its value as a variable (and its value
as a function, which for a Lisp-2 is separate).
The symbol is not its name. In many languages
you have only to think about a name and its
binding to a value. At a lower level you think
of a memory location (address) and the value at
that address.
In Lisp a source-code name can refer to a symbol
object. That object itself has other things /
properties, besides a value as a variable.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-07-05 20:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-06-03 4:03 Which Elisp types are mutable? Marcin Borkowski
2021-06-03 12:11 ` Philipp
2021-06-05 11:22 ` Marcin Borkowski
2021-06-05 12:58 ` Philipp
2021-06-05 14:25 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-05 18:40 ` Philipp
2021-07-05 20:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-05 20:44 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-05 20:58 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-05 21:03 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-05 19:19 ` Marcin Borkowski
2021-06-05 20:17 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-06-05 20:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-06-06 1:57 ` Drew Adams
2021-07-05 18:41 ` Philipp
2021-07-05 18:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-05 18:55 ` tomas
2021-07-05 19:26 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-07-05 19:40 ` tomas
2021-07-05 20:03 ` Drew Adams
2021-07-05 20:12 ` tomas
2021-07-05 20:39 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2021-07-05 20:58 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
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