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envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=aserp2120.oracle.com X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:128254 Archived-At: > > My complaint is that we don't also provide some > > simple to use constructs for simple use cases. > > > > But I do appreciate that it's still supported. > > I hope it will continue to be so. And I still > > have hopes that the deprecation will be lifted > > from it someday. Users are in general unaware > > of it now (it was removed from the manual etc.), > > even though it's very good for the simple use > > cases it handles. >=20 > I don't think keeping those vars around is the > right solution (because those special-display* > vars make the overall system more complex). > > Better would be to provide new ways to do the > same, which are just as easy&simple but which > rely on `display-buffer-alist`. Apparently it's not "easy&simple" to provide new ways to do the same, using `display-buffer-alist'. That's the problem. (Addition of such replacement, just-as-easy&simple ways welcome...) `display-buffer-alist' is indeed super-complex, and it does let you configure many buffer-display possibilities - even arcane ones. But apparently not these simple possibilities. While waiting for the New, Miraculous, Easy&Simple ways to get such easy&simple behavior, how about we UN-deprecate this important feature that Just Works, and put it back in the manual? ___ Zoom meetings provide lots of flexibility over getting together physically, but who would think the _addition_ of Zoom would be a good reason to deprecate physical get-togethers? ___ special-display-buffer-names special-display-frame-alist special-display-function special-display-regexps Every one of those now has a big sign out front: "use `display-buffer-alist' instead" And yet that's apparently not possible or straightforward. Or if it really _is_, then please use `display-buffer-alist' to implement easy&simple ways to get equivalent behavior. Hasn't been done so far. Yet we tell users to do it.