From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chiron Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs: Problems of the Scratch Buffer Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:58:25 GMT Organization: TeraNews.com Message-ID: References: <1bqkr.13803$mL3.9455@newsfe23.iad> <5Yxkr.15011$bU5.6213@newsfe04.iad> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1335027617 31496 80.91.229.3 (21 Apr 2012 17:00:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:00:17 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 21 19:00:14 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SLdfR-0007Td-RI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:00:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56547 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SLdfR-00051z-6J for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Apr 2012 13:00:13 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news1.google.com!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe01.iad.POSTED!7ed62f90!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) Original-Lines: 44 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@teranews.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 16:58:25 UTC X-Received-Bytes: 3021 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:192162 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:84577 Archived-At: On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:15:20 -0400, Dan Espen wrote: > Chiron writes: > >> On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:10:48 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >>>> From: Chiron Date: Sat, >>>> 21 Apr 2012 12:43:45 GMT >>>> >>>> In what way do the maintainers of emacs benefit from having more >>>> users? >>> >>> If you ever maintained a package that others used, you must know that >>> satisfying your users is a very powerful incentive. Frankly, I'm >>> surprised to see this question asked at all. >> >> Well, I'm just going by the behavior of the current maintainers. They >> aren't making the changes that people seem to want > > You're making that up right? > > Every one of the maintainers works on something someone wants. With a > little reflection on your part, you'll understand why this is a truism. > > Xah has a point, users and especially new users stumble on the scratch > buffer. All Emacs asks is that it's users be smart enough to read the > little blurb there and ignore the buffer. > > But so far, I don't see a lot of people coming up with good alternative > designs. At least the mention of lisp in the blurb gives new users an > idea what language they need to use to modify things. OK, I give up. For some reason, I'm just not making myself clear, and there are too many people misunderstanding me for it to be their fault. One or two I could understand, but... As Struther Martin might say, "what we got heyah is failyuh to communicate." I can't think of how to properly express my opinion so that it is understood. Since I'm not particularly attached to this opinion - which may very well be incorrect to begin with - I won't continue to belabor it. -- Life is a gamble at terrible odds, if it was a bet you wouldn't take it. -- Tom Stoppard, "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead"