From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hugo Wolf Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: installing emacs and X11 on OS X Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:45:36 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Sender: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1035809564 15883 80.91.224.249 (28 Oct 2002 12:52:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1869Nq-00047p-01 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:52:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1869No-0000HT-00; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:52:40 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-server.caltech.edu!attla2!ip.att.net!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc03.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Darwin) Original-Lines: 33 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.41.137 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com Original-X-Trace: sccrnsc03 1035809136 66.31.41.137 (Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:45:36 GMT) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:45:36 GMT Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:106452 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:3002 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:3002 In article , Eli Zaretskii wrote: > If there's a difference between these two configurations, there should be > a way to distinguish between them. There are actually three runtime gui environments in osx. Distinguishing them is very easy -- window-system does it in a clean, reliable and consistent way, and as an added bonus works in both xemacs and gnuemacs. > Doesn't system-configuration fit the > bill? or maybe system-configuration-options? system-configuration has the same value for any emacs running in osx, so it obviously can't be used to make any distinctions at all. system-configuration-options can currently distinguish in a very ugly way between an emacs that was _built_ with mac-windowing support and one that wasn't but of course says nothing at all about whether or not it's actually _running_ in that window system at any given time. By definition, build-time options can't work as a way to discover runtime distinctions. This or that individual runtime feature doesn't work either. To think about it that way is to misunderstand the nature of a gui environment. What we're talking about here is not at the level of "do I have color available". It's at the level of "do I want to follow Mac l&f". You're obviously a very knowledgeable emacs guy and even you don't seem to be able to find anything other than window-system that works for this. Doesn't that tell you something?