From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "B. T. Raven" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Shifting a column left or right using key Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:10:55 GMT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1145140828 24051 80.91.229.2 (15 Apr 2006 22:40:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 16 00:40:28 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUtRH-0002Bb-7Z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 00:40:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FUtRG-0008TY-Mu for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 18:40:22 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!0847253b!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 61 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.159.163.164 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net Original-X-Trace: newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net 1145139055 4.159.163.164 (Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:10:55 PDT) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:10:55 PDT Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:138767 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:34387 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" wrote in message news:mailman.447.1145124370.9609.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org... > It might be useful to the rest of us tyros to see something like this in > these cases: > > >(In v22 or cvs) C-h d rectangle RET mentions some more. > > In half of the things I try (after reading about them here) I find > that they are just roundabout ways of running the ding function. If > I knew only as much as I did six months ago this would have been a > complete mystery to me. Now that I have 22.0.50, I can quickly run > that too and retry the example in that version. With the version > note included, those without the cvs loaded in their systems would > not have bothered to try the exampe. (More efficient, no?) > > Speaking of "complete mystery", I had to read your post a couple times to > figure out what you were saying (maybe I was low on coffee). I do agree > with your point, however, which, for any others who had trouble parsing your > message, is just this: It helps to mention the version of Emacs you're > talking about. > > BTW, if the OP had referenced the command name (`apropos-documentation'), > instead of only the new keybinding (`C-h d'), there would have been no need > to know the Emacs version. The command itself is not new; it is as old as > the hills. Or "instead of only the keybinding" since there does not appear to have been an *old* keybinding. (At least in 21.3 where "C-h w apropos-documentation" doesn't find one. (Here interpreting "new" as "new and improved" (i.e. different) rather than ex nihilo exstans (i.e. now bound to a key for the first time). But context is everything. Slight expansion of a telegraphic style maybe too compressed for non-native speakers/readers of English: [With] half of the things I try (after reading about them here) I find that they [,the aforesaid things,] are just roundabout ways of running the ding function. If I knew only as much as [no more than] I did six months ago this [example] would have been a complete mystery to me. Now that I have [version] 22.0.50 [installed], I can quickly run that [version] too and retry [your] example in that version. With the version note included [if you had included a note anent the version], those without the cvs [version] loaded in their systems would not have bothered to try the examp[l]e. (More efficient, no?) Sorry to sound so querulous. It may be nitpicking but I was just trying to make a suggestion that would help us newbies to learn Emacs faster. The default interpretation of the term Emacs (except in forums dedicated to the bleeding edge) should refer to the latest stable release, imho. Ed.