From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Heime Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Adding colour when font-lock in disabled Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 08:09:08 +0000 Message-ID: References: <838rjh12ar.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37324"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 09 09:10:08 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p3YSN-0009XA-Mk for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 09:10:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p3YRk-0007s1-2P; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 03:09:28 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p3YRi-0007rg-T4 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 03:09:26 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-40132.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.132]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p3YRg-0003Z3-RW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 03:09:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1670573362; x=1670832562; bh=hMVudLmSDl+KX1oGwo0o9rbuVvL4xgKKN0P7vWhXpKI=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=UbDPb6q9uPVd95qvV/2wobjsHWDeduTlG/xQmZnlxkKxq+7ySgfkxexvUfU5SUkfC G7O8nqVdHJaDGpVnfI6wC8ptfguU1lDdXizfxkoLAFDoA50YPD5FDm2L60sB/fsHSb LDu2HAszOTEG9z7FuCSaD1JbOzBp+myaYKKTLAOOc3VO5IBqvELV4QYMBNhfiVE6Ut yXRBNnMo1jd7un27PVmkwV3lrnEqRhPrYhA2MgBicHTyb+YnSBtTvX43tguBJRfUmx w4iDrQ3Raq2USXed1g+XM2bxS76DgQF80Yv+bMn3IvWCSj3sUrEA0+F24xQ4aOvBYf zIx5wZr1rOiIA== In-Reply-To: <838rjh12ar.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 57735886:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.40.132; envelope-from=heimeborgia@protonmail.com; helo=mail-40132.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:141500 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, December 9th, 2022 at 7:09 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrot= e: > > Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 01:46:18 +0000 > > From: Heime heimeborgia@protonmail.com > > Cc: Heime via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor help-gnu-emacs@g= nu.org > >=20 > > > From what I understand, when font-lock-mode is enabled, it takes over= the face property but provides an alias property - font-lock-face. The fon= t-lock-face property bypasses font-lock to allow coloured text. > >=20 > > Really weird stuff because if you want to allow someone to specify face= property, just allow them to specify it. >=20 >=20 > What is weird about it? font-lock-mode places face properties > according to the mode's definitions, so it will overwrite any face > properties you put manually. Thus the need to use a different > property, which font-lock-mode doesn't control. But them when a user wants to introduce some text with some properties (e.g= . colour), what is supposed to do. =20 -------- Would you expect someone to use font-lock-face when font-lock is enabled (propertize "G" 'font-lock-face '(:foreground "green")) -------- And use=20 (propertize "G" 'face '(:foreground "green")) when font lock is disabled. -------- Why places face properties according to the mode's definitions but not allo= w us to change the properties of inserted text, when we can do that anyway? After calling a particular mode definitions, I should be able te change pro= perties rather than having a lock.