Re: "transient-define-suffix" autoload error ?

[David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com>]

David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com> writes:

> Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>
>>> A '--no-init-file' does make the error go away.  That suggests that it is
>>> a problem with my packages.  The only packages that I am using that use
>>> transient (AFAICT) is forge and magit.  Debugging them is going to be
>>> difficult -- they looked good on requires in my first look.
>>
>> Ah, then if `--debug-init` does not help, maybe you should
>>
>>     emacs -Q --eval '(setq debug-on-error t debug-on-signal t) \
>>              -l ~/.emacs.d/init.el
>
> I'm old school -- ~/.emacs -- but I get the idea. ;-)
>
>> which may give you a more interesting backtrace (but beware:
>> `debug-on-signal` will also give you false positives about errors which
>> aren't ones).
>
> With debug-on-signal, I get:
>
> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-variable kmacro-call-mouse-event)
>
> Without debug-on-signal, I get:
>
> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (file-missing "Cannot open load file"
>   "No such file or directory" "use-package")
>   require(use-package)
>
>>> I use-package to load almost all of my interesting package, so I tried
>>> to ':disabled' these two as a first test.  The error still comes up.
>>
>> Maybe the problem is in `~/.emacs.d/package-quickstart.el(c)`?
>
> I don't have that file.
>
>>> 1. When are the native packages loaded in the startup sequence?
>>> 2. Does disabling a package via use-package prevent the native code from
>>> loading as well?
>>> 3. Is there a way to tell Emacs 28.2 to ignore the native code?
>>> 4. Does the natve compiler clean up old code from the cache?
>>> 5. Could my error be happening in the native code?
>>
>> I don't see any indication in what you sent that the problem is linked
>> to native compilation.  Of course, maybe it is, but my crystal ball is
>> screaming "look elsewhere".
>
> Your crystal ball is much more advanced than mine when it comes to
> Emacs, so I accept that.  However, I think my questions above should be
> answered in the Emacs manuals somewhere to not make native compilation
> opaque.
>
> I don't trust ":disabled" in use-package.  I'm going to try commenting
> out forge and magit.  I might also try safely removing them from
> ~/.emacs.d.

I think I found it -- it's in forge-autoloads.el.  I wondered about your
suggested startup with debug-on-error and noticed that the packages in
~/.emacs,d/elpa were not added to the load-path suggesting
package-initialize had not run.  When I ran that, the debugger found the
file.  Now, I have to walk through the code to see how it was supposed
to require 'transient and raise a bug.

Thanks.

-- 
David Masterson