From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: uzibalqa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Running emacs without any customisation Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2022 12:41:37 +0000 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30375"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Thibaut Verron Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 10 14:42:59 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ohs7W-0007eX-OD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2022 14:42:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54934 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ohs7V-0000ZJ-IE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2022 08:42:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37638) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ohs6Q-0000YQ-Dp for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2022 08:41:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-4027.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.27]:16909) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ohs6M-0004wx-Ji for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2022 08:41:49 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=dzcwo4wb4jfqpja4qrm5nnsuom.protonmail; t=1665405703; x=1665664903; bh=vqJ5zA2QZk51nF85g29INTa9ucDJY8ni7VxzqxPesLQ=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID; b=iy+cwR1Fije7luN3jQLSsPDjYevuYY/Mp311BOMr4U9JvksiY8MQyjx7DtWbfqspp Ztws8RWlps7VnpnZ7dpYxHgNXKjLYtbUAR62tjOaEJ2Bi/+0Bj+ptT8NaYiBOzcX6k XWjayWpIN6fe/fRrqbniexD5nDRNSzI7CUr9MkbAweno84P/4jaBkl/mz+kRi87Dti 9iY5i6XPY9JWn3yO/fObN8UMZPbZVaDtDdM9twp+70GrFSmsp7fcO0fTEvNHrluLm9 BkC0W7F+JoJYMj6wuHYgDYnF9as9gKKxw5WYguc7Ki8aFCr4ot7cMcrGWdZ6ENRfrG CIBnJD/lJvidw== In-Reply-To: Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.40.27; envelope-from=uzibalqa@proton.me; helo=mail-4027.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:139788 Archived-At: ------- Original Message ------- On Monday, October 10th, 2022 at 12:10 PM, Thibaut Verron wrote: > On 10/10/2022 13:54, uzibalqa wrote: >=20 > > ------- Original Message ------- > > On Monday, October 10th, 2022 at 11:46 AM, Thibaut Verron thibaut.verro= n@gmail.com wrote: > >=20 > > > Hi, > > >=20 > > > So I see two things here. > > >=20 > > > First, even with an empty .emacs, just running emacs might not the > > > equivalent of "emacs -Q", as it will still load the system-wide > > > configuration files (the "site-elisp"). > > >=20 > > > Second, running emacs with an empty .emacs should not result in a bla= ck > > > background. The cause is almost certainly in the xepty.el file where = all > > > the functions and variables used here are (I hope) defined. > > > (xepty 'nogo) should not even load "xepty.el". Hom can one figure out > > > what "site-elisp" could be doing? >=20 >=20 > Oh, right, sorry, I missed the unless. >=20 > On my system (ubuntu) there are configuration files in /usr/share/emacs, > /usr/share/emacsen-common and /etc/emacs. I don't know if they are all ru= n. >=20 > Regardless, the site lisp should not cause emacs to fail to start or > start with a black screen. To test it, you can run emacs without your > config but with most site-lisp with emacs -q. >=20 > I assume that you don't get the black screen with -Q? And that you don't > have any other configuration files in your .emacs.d (for example > early-init.el) ? =20 With "emacs -Q" I get the expected white screen. I do not have an "early-i= nit.el" in my ".emacs.d". But I do have something installed: =20 . places .. session.10b21b0bf7ddc78cb816648280224499300000018700060 abbrev_defs session.10b21b0bf7ddc78cb8166502604539066600000018700137 auto-save-list session.10b21b0bf7ddc78cb8166502678640923500000018700138 elpa session.10b21b0bf7ddc78cb8166505172554019500000018700140 ls elpa archives company-20211024.2305 gnupg xr-1.23 xr-1.23.signed > > > On 10/10/2022 13:36, uzibalqa wrote: > > >=20 > > > > I have the following in my .emacs file. Calling (xepty 'nogo) shoul= d > > > > not execute anything. But when I run emacs, I get a black backgroun= d. > > > >=20 > > > > I thought I would get the equivalent of "emacs -Q". > > > >=20 > > > > (defun xepty (&optional statck) > > > > "Launch xepty tools for Emacs." > > > >=20 > > > > (unless (equal statck 'nogo) > > > > (add-to-list 'load-path "${HOME}/xepty/") > > > > (load "xepty") > > > > (xepty-tools))) > > > >=20 > > > > (xepty 'nogo) > > > >=20 > > > > (custom-set-variables > > > > '(savehist-additional-variables '(xepty-frame-pos)) > > > > '(xepty-frame-pos '(34 . 34)))