From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tristero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Emacs on Aqua crippleware or is it just broken? Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 02:03:17 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <39d9c156.0305042200.1639a252@posting.google.com> <878ytl3to2.fsf@enberg.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052186798 3662 80.91.224.249 (6 May 2003 02:06:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 02:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 06 04:06:36 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19Crqm-0000wu-00 for ; Tue, 06 May 2003 04:06:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19Crpr-00029V-03 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 05 May 2003 22:05:39 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!sccrnsc04.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.sys.mac.apps Original-Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.apps User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Darwin) Original-Lines: 31 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.41.137 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com Original-X-Trace: sccrnsc04 1052186596 66.31.41.137 (Tue, 06 May 2003 02:03:16 GMT) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 02:03:16 GMT Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:112820 comp.sys.mac.apps:360589 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:9315 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:9315 In article , Barry Margolin wrote: > Macs (except some of the very earliest Apple keyboards) have three modifier > keys: Control, Option, and Command. I would expect Control to be used for > Control, Option to be used for Meta, and Command to be reserved for > implementing standard Macintosh shortcuts. The carbon emacs port can use either Option or Command as meta; whichever one isn't Meta becomes Alt. It's configured by the variable mac-command-key-is-meta. At one point the default value of this variable was t. I set it to nil explicitly in ~/.emacs so that the behavior matches emacs in an osx Terminal and also in X11 (with a sensible .xmodmap): in my environment all three use Option for meta (I never use Alt in emacs). As for the carbon port not matching Aqua conventions, it's hard to know what to say. The carbon port is functionally outstanding; it deserves nothing but praise imo. The OP's contention that the lack of predefined support for Cmd-q makes this "crippleware" or "broken" is truly an amazing feat of pettiness, even for usenet.